Re:Thieves drain 2FA-protected bank accounts by abusing SS7 ...
by ams6110 on Thursday May 04, 2017 @04:45PM
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Except SMS is better than nothing, right? Yes it's flawed. But it's a harder attack than simple password auth. An attacker has to to target an individual and know their phone number, and be able to spoof their phone.
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Re:Thieves drain 2FA-protected bank accounts by abusing SS7 ...
by tptacek on Thursday May 04, 2017 @04:50PM
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It depends. SMS is better than nothing as a second factor, but SMS has a weird way of worming its way into single-factor status. I think people should avoid SMS 2FA, and should be skeptical of the security of companies that offer only SMS and neither of TOTP or U2F.
Re:Thieves drain 2FA-protected bank accounts by abusing SS7 ...
by StavrosK on Thursday May 04, 2017 @08:00PM
(#14270011)
This frustrates me endlessly about Namecheap. They only allow SMS, and, for something as valuable as my domain name (figuratively the keys to my kingdom), that's unacceptable.
Re:Thieves drain 2FA-protected bank accounts by abusing SS7 ...
by tonyztan on Thursday May 04, 2017 @09:20PM
(#14270427)
Have you tried using a (free) Google Voice number for 2FA purposes? Google Voice has no/minimal customer support, so it should be almost as secure as your Google Account.
Re:Thieves drain 2FA-protected bank accounts by abusing SS7 ...
by StavrosK on Friday May 05, 2017 @02:48AM
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Haha, I love the reasoning there. I haven't, but you're right, I should.
Re:Thieves drain 2FA-protected bank accounts by abusing SS7 ...
by scrollaway on Saturday May 06, 2017 @05:37AM
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Well if you manage to do that, let me know. To my knowledge creating a text/voice compatible Google Voice number is not possible in europe.
Re:Thieves drain 2FA-protected bank accounts by abusing SS7 ...
by StavrosK on Sunday May 07, 2017 @06:00PM
(#14287936)
I had created one when I was in the US, so I do have one. I can't add a European phone number to it, but I can receive SMS with it.
Re:Thieves drain 2FA-protected bank accounts by abusing SS7 ...
by aianus on Thursday May 04, 2017 @11:56PM
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I transfered my domain to route 53 and let them know this was the reason why.
Re:Thieves drain 2FA-protected bank accounts by abusing SS7 ...
by nl on Thursday May 04, 2017 @05:51PM
(#14269185)
If SMS can be used for account recovery (ie, 'I forgot my password' functionality) then it is probably worse.
Re:Thieves drain 2FA-protected bank accounts by abusing SS7 ...
by always_good on Thursday May 04, 2017 @09:07PM
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2FA altogether isn't necessarily better than nothing.
At its worst, it opens up a social engineering / customer support "lol lost my phone" attack vector that didn't exist before.
SMS 2FA can be defeated by hijacking someone's number. Happened to me. One day I opened my Macbook and saw the "A new iPhone has been activated for your iCloud account". They had access to my number for hours after I called up my carrier.
Re:Thieves drain 2FA-protected bank accounts by abusing SS7 ...
by throwaway91111 on Thursday May 04, 2017 @08:44PM
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Ok, a 2fa protecting anything of value (such as money) should not be trivially breakable by state actors.