Thats what irks me about these statements. Nowhere in my post did I even allude to the fact that I may consider this a bad thing. Not remotely. I'm just stating a fact. People get a bunch of welfare.

The one thing I do have a problem with is that europe has managed to engineer its population into a situation in which the majority of folks are forced into positions where they can't move out of welfare even if they wanted to, in a reasonable fashion.

In my opinion, both healthcare and internet access have achieved utility status.