Re:Twilio stock plummets as major client Uber distances itself
by jessriedel on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @10:44PM
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You have added to the list of differences between wifi and other standards, but you have not actually shown where the timescale comes from starting from first principles. Why 10s to connect? Why not 10 ms or 10 minutes?
Re:Twilio stock plummets as major client Uber distances itself
by derefr on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @10:48PM
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I'm not sure why it's 10s; my point was mostly that, once you figure out exactly what part of the connectivity process eats up the majority of the 10 second delay, it'll be much easier to figure out the why.
Since connectivity takes (far) less than 10s on enterprise-grade multi-antenna routers, all that time is being spent in some component that's different between the two classes of hardware. So looking at the difference in BOM between average products of the two classes might be helpful in figuring things out.
Re:Twilio stock plummets as major client Uber distances itself
by jessriedel on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @01:16AM
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Right, but there are multiple accounts of this floating around the web, many contradicting each other, and none that I've found that can explain what sets the actual timescale.
Add more antennas, and you can say more things on more channels at once. "Enterprise-grade" multi-antenna routers (e.g. routers in conference halls) negotiate new connections much more quickly.
Cell towers are essentially a whole bunch of antennas (or a few antennae in highly-MIMO setups, so effectively the same thing) so there's comparatively next to no latency for sending "unexpected" packets to the tower.
(Establishing connectivity with a new cell is still hard, though, since it takes a moment for a handset to get the tower's attention when the handset doesn't yet know where precisely the tower is for MIMO-beamforming to kick in. This is ameliorated by many cellular ISPs mirroring connection state between neighbouring cells, so that when you move from one cell to another, the new tower is already "expecting" you.)