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Re:Introducing Surface Laptop by noxToken on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @01:33PM (#14248521)
> As one of the kids who was lucky enough to get a BBC Micro, I had zero support. No-one else in my family even knew how to turn it on. No teacher at my school could support me because none of them knew how it worked either. If I broke it, I had to fix it. And no Stack Overflow, so no code to copy-paste. I had to go back to first principles every time and work out what went wrong and how I could make it go right.

What is this weird obsession that we have with making children do everything the hard way? I understand that we want them to apply critical thinking and for them to grow into self-sufficiency, but why do we suggest these archaic hazing rituals?

We've made strides in many areas of technology. We have the power to troubleshoot a non-working laptop, unsuccessfully diagnose, and then re-image it to a saved state in less than a school day. I'm not saying that there shouldn't be consequences, but I think we can put Timmy's time to better use.

Re:Introducing Surface Laptop by mohaine on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @02:03PM (#14248872)
They same reason we teach them basic math that a calculator can easily do. The primary reason for schools it to learn. Learning to type "8 * 7 =" is different then learning what it means to multiple 8 by 7
Re:Introducing Surface Laptop by noxToken on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @02:24PM (#14249102)
These are two entirely different things. Is the goal to get them to troubleshoot a computer, or are they being issued laptops to enable their education? If it's the former, then I can kind of understand. Trial by fire and all that good stuff. However you just said yourself:

> we teach them basic math

Keyword here is teach. We do not give them a math book and tell them to figure out what 8 * 7 means. We break down the concept of multiplication into its constituent parts. In that same vein, we should enable the child to learn how to troubleshoot the system.

Like I said: I think we can put Timmy's time to better use.

Re:Introducing Surface Laptop by coldtea on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @03:40PM (#14249851)
>but why do we suggest these archaic hazing rituals?

Well, life is an archaic hazing ritual.