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Re:The licensing program for MP3-related patents has been te... by 2bluesc on Monday May 01, 2017 @04:47PM (#14241409)
> How do you "support a format"? AFAIK nothing will convince Apple to release music in a better (patent-free) codec, much less convince others to dump DRM.

Then you start by not giving them your money. It's a uphill battle, but someone has to fight the good fight instead of just throwing their hands-up.

Re:The licensing program for MP3-related patents has been te... by JumpCrisscross on Monday May 01, 2017 @05:06PM (#14241589)
> someone has to fight the good fight

That's a noble, if politically naïve, attitude. Societies, like Congress, have a limited bandwidth for problem solving. The way we prioritize what gets solved and what doesn't, as well as how to solve it, is "politics". (This is more a matter of definition than quibbling.)

There are various political institutions, and individuals have varying degrees of influence over them, depending on how one's society is structured. But unvaryingly, attracting people with political capital to your cause is paramount. This is often done by showing such people an agglomeration of individuals supporting your cause, individually with less political value than them but collectively something interesting.

Even the people at the bottom of the chain have limited bandwidth. This is why most systems default to delegation, particularly at scale. Single-handedly refusing to support something you think is important without patching that into a political system is fine from a personal or moral perspective, but it shouldn't be expected to actually do anything. As such, it's less a good fight than good fussing about.

Re:The licensing program for MP3-related patents has been te... by sbov on Monday May 01, 2017 @05:25PM (#14241801)
There's a wide range here. Complaining on a message board where most people agree with you is basically zero effort. Devoting your life's work to it is a ton of effort. There is a middle ground here.

My general thought is: you should, on a regular basis, feel at least a little bit of pain due to your opinions. If you don't then your opinion is probably worthless to society.

Re:The licensing program for MP3-related patents has been te... by arximboldi on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @06:57AM (#14245394)
> My general thought is: you should, on a regular basis, feel at least a little bit of pain due to your opinions. If you don't then your opinion is probably worthless to society.

I've reread this sentence a few times... and it is actually quite deeper that it first seemed on a more superficial read. Thanks a lot for your comment.

Re:The licensing program for MP3-related patents has been te... by thisrod on Monday May 01, 2017 @08:27PM (#14243029)
Here's a reform to the copyright law that just occurred to me. If you buy a copy of a published work, then you're allowed to copy and distribute it as you see fit, provided that you pay the creator the same royalty that they were paid for the copy you bought. Other restrictions such as moral rights would still be in force.

That seems to get a lot of incentives right. Publishers have to pay artists decent royalties, and proprietary file formats can't be used to suppress competition. What would go wrong? Apart from the fact that this would have to be enacted over the cold, dead bodies of a lot of music company executives: that's a feature, not a bug.

Re:The licensing program for MP3-related patents has been te... by URSpider94 on Monday May 01, 2017 @11:15PM (#14243701)
I think you are confusing the issues. TFA is about the license fees paid to Fraunhofer for the MP3 codec, for which they owned the underlying and now-expired patents.

MP3 is not an encrypted codec, the format itself is quite open and doesn't place any real restrictions on redistributing music -- in fact, most of the original music sharing sites like Napster traded exclusively in MP3. The use of MP3 has no bearing on copyright or music piracy.

The real issue is that software developers had to pay a royalty to Fraunhofer to distribute copies of MP3 players or encoders. That made it impossible to incorporate MP3 into a free (as in speech) OS like GNU/Linux.

Re:The licensing program for MP3-related patents has been te... by thisrod on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @02:58AM (#14244472)
> The real issue

There's real a higher-order issue, too. Why did anyone want GNU to incorporate an MP3 player in the first place? There is no law of physics that requires songs to be encoded as MP3.

Re:The licensing program for MP3-related patents has been te... by la_oveja on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @03:53AM (#14244706)
> Why did anyone want GNU to incorporate an MP3 player in the first place? There is no law of physics that requires songs to be encoded as MP3.

Dude, in 2006 ALL MUSIC was mp3.

Re:The licensing program for MP3-related patents has been te... by semi-extrinsic on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @02:26AM (#14244355)
> Societies, like Congress, have a limited bandwidth for problem solving

And as we know, due to Nyquist, N Congressmembers can at most be solving N/2 things at any given point in time.

Re:The licensing program for MP3-related patents has been te... by microwavecamera on Monday May 01, 2017 @05:33PM (#14241889)
Your right and it works. People used to say the same thing about Linux and open source software.
Re:The licensing program for MP3-related patents has been te... by virmundi on Monday May 01, 2017 @07:12PM (#14242626)
I wish that worked here. You'd have to establish an open source media group with direct hooks into the i* platform. Then you'd have to get major acts on that platform.
Re:The licensing program for MP3-related patents has been te... by NoGravitas on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @09:39AM (#14246207)
No one is making you use that platform?
Re:The licensing program for MP3-related patents has been te... by EpicEng on Monday May 01, 2017 @06:45PM (#14242430)
That approach is a complete loser. 99.999% of people couldn't care less, your voice will be nothing but noise.
Re:The licensing program for MP3-related patents has been te... by throwaway91111 on Monday May 01, 2017 @05:12PM (#14241662)
Do you suggest I don't listen to music, or are you prepared with an alternative to apple?
Re:The licensing program for MP3-related patents has been te... by Freak_NL on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @05:20AM (#14245073)
Why do you need Apple to listen to music?

There is radio (online and in the ether), there are alternative platforms (e.g., Bandcamp), concerts and other live venues, (second hand) physical media (e.g., CDs or vinyl), open access music, etcetera.

On top of all that there is the big middle finger of 'piracy' if you are so inclined. For many this is a morally acceptable alternative to a rotten system, for others it may remain an imponderable transgression of law and or ethics — either way, it is a viable alternative in addition to the above.

Re:The licensing program for MP3-related patents has been te... by kingosticks on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @07:00AM (#14245399)
I'd love to support bandcamp but then they removed their API.
Re:The licensing program for MP3-related patents has been te... by daveFNbuck on Monday May 01, 2017 @05:49PM (#14242029)
Amazon sells music and lets you download DRM-free mp3s.
Re:The licensing program for MP3-related patents has been te... by 0xffff2 on Monday May 01, 2017 @08:21PM (#14242999)
So does Apple... the call here is to use something other than MP3.
Re:The licensing program for MP3-related patents has been te... by comex on Monday May 01, 2017 @09:53PM (#14243404)
Apple doesn't use MP3, they use AAC (.m4a), which is technically superior to MP3 but also patent encumbered.
Re:The licensing program for MP3-related patents has been te... by throwaway91111 on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @03:23AM (#14244566)
They are not patent free, which is the point at hand. Do they allow ogg/vorbis or other unencumbered formats?