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Re:The licensing program for MP3-related patents has been te... by a3n on Monday May 01, 2017 @04:20PM (#14241149)
I'm very sympathetic to the idea of disallowing software patents; to my layman's sensibilities, so many of them are ridiculous, or after the fact grants of something that has been done in practice for years, or predatory, or all that and more.

However, any physical machine or process can be reduced to the laws of physics, and you can't patent the laws of physics as far as I know. I don't think "reduced to mathematical formulae" is in itself a great argument.

Should the jacquard loom have been granted a patent?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacquard_loom

https://www.google.com/patents/US578068

Re:The licensing program for MP3-related patents has been te... by khedoros1 on Monday May 01, 2017 @04:59PM (#14241517)
The loom? Sure. The exact pattern on the cards themselves? Maybe not. I'd say no, but I recognize that US law currently says differently.

It seems like the old pattern of "Patent a certain method of weaving brocade", then later "Patent a certain method of weaving brocade...on (mechanical) computers!"

Re:The licensing program for MP3-related patents has been te... by a3n on Monday May 01, 2017 @05:09PM (#14241631)
The exact pattern on the cards would seem to be a copyright issue more than a patent issue.

To the original objection that you can't patent math, I think some countries do disallow software patents, don't know if it's that reason or something else. But if they can disallow because math, shouldn't they disallow all patents because physics?

Re:The licensing program for MP3-related patents has been te... by dahauns on Monday May 01, 2017 @08:16PM (#14242972)
You're on to something here - physics vs math as a demarcation line is actually a thing:

German patent law for example has had the term "Technizität" as a neccessary property for a patent to be valid.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technizit%C3%A4t

Money quote from the BGH (German Supreme Court): "Als patentierbar anzusehen ist eine Lehre zum planmäßigen Handeln unter Einsatz beherrschbarer Naturkräfte zur Erreichung eines kausal übersehbaren Erfolges." (GTrans:"To be considered patentable is a doctrine of planned action using controllable natural forces to achieve a causally overlookable success." :) )

i.e. You gotta use physics in your patent.

I have been coming back to this time and again, and today I still see it as the least shitty definition in regard to what should be patentable and what shouldn't.

Other national patent offices in Europe have used similar demarcation properties and it had served them quite well...until the degradation of patent standards started here as well around the turn of the millenium, with the first act being the EPO starting to issue software patents in rather blatant violation of its mandate.

Re:The licensing program for MP3-related patents has been te... by kbutler on Monday May 01, 2017 @08:23PM (#14243009)
No. Math is not physics, as physics is not chemistry.

Patents exist to promote novel applications of physics and chemistry, but do not forbid use of the fundamental laws, and should not forbid use of fundamental mathematical or algorithmic processes.

If you can violate a patent in your mind, it shouldn't be granted.

Re:The licensing program for MP3-related patents has been te... by louithethrid on Monday May 01, 2017 @04:39PM (#14241329)
Not using a patent in a product or doing further research into the area, should reduce the time of patent on a logarithmic scale.
Re:The licensing program for MP3-related patents has been te... by int_19h on Monday May 01, 2017 @05:39PM (#14241945)
One could even claim that any mechanical device is ultimately reducible to a wavefunction, which is really just math.
Re:The licensing program for MP3-related patents has been te... by kbutler on Monday May 01, 2017 @08:24PM (#14243013)
When you can reproduce any mechanical device from its wave function, we'll talk.
Re:The licensing program for MP3-related patents has been te... by throwawaykf09 on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @02:48AM (#14244446)
When you can flip the bits required to operate a computer with pure abstract mathematics, we'll talk.