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Re:Is Quantum Theory About Reality or What We Know? by petters on Monday May 01, 2017 @10:11AM (#14237543)
Sure, it makes sense. But reality is complex. The amplitudes of the wave function are real (no puns intended) and the Bell inequalities are also real.

It's not just about incomplete knowledge.

Re:Is Quantum Theory About Reality or What We Know? by whack on Monday May 01, 2017 @10:30AM (#14237677)
Hypothesis 1: Schroedinger's cat is either alive, or dead, but not both. We will not know what the outcome is, until we take a look inside.

Hypothesis 2: Schroedinger's cat is simultaneously both alive and dead. Our taking a look will "collapse the wave function" which could then result in the cat dying.

Is there any concrete evidence to believe in hypothesis 2 over hypothesis 1? If not, I'd rather go with the hypothesis that doesn't sound absurd.

Re:Is Quantum Theory About Reality or What We Know? by alansammarone on Monday May 01, 2017 @11:20AM (#14238214)
The bell inequalities are a concrete evidence to dismiss 1.

Say we flip a coin (just for the sake of the argument - superposition only works for small things), and we're arguing whether the coin is really heads or really tails before we look at it, or whether it's in a superposition. The bell inequalities give us a prediction on the distribution of results we should see if 1. was true or if 2. was true. Turns out the distributions we see in experiments are consistent with 2 but not with 1. The measured values can not be true if the coin is either head or tails.

Of course, there are subtleties involved, but that's one of the main evidences we have.

Re:Is Quantum Theory About Reality or What We Know? by RandomOpinion on Monday May 01, 2017 @10:44AM (#14237824)
> Is there any concrete evidence to believe in hypothesis 2 over hypothesis 1?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment. That's pretty concrete.

Plus all those fancy quantum computers that people are developing depend on the fact that quantum superposition exists.

Re:Is Quantum Theory About Reality or What We Know? by AnimalMuppet on Monday May 01, 2017 @11:51AM (#14238554)
Well, for Schroedinger's cat, it's hypothesis 1. For quantum systems, hypothesis 2 has some evidence behind it.

But you can't translate the quantum stuff to the cat, because the detector makes a measurement. So because of the detector, the uncertainty is gone, and there's no uncertainty in the state of the radioactive atoms, let alone in the cat.

Re:Is Quantum Theory About Reality or What We Know? by petters on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @03:35PM (#14259246)
> Is there any concrete evidence to believe in hypothesis 2 over hypothesis 1? If not, I'd rather go with the hypothesis that doesn't sound absurd.

Almost the entire idea of quantum mechanics is that hypothesis 1 is incorrect.

Re:Is Quantum Theory About Reality or What We Know? by burkaman on Monday May 01, 2017 @10:34AM (#14237717)
Isn't the double slit experiment evidence for hypothesis 2?
Re:Is Quantum Theory About Reality or What We Know? by whack on Monday May 01, 2017 @10:40AM (#14237782)
The double slit experiment shows that light has properties traditionally associated with waves (as opposed to particles). Can you clarify how this is related to hypothesis 2?
Re:Is Quantum Theory About Reality or What We Know? by RandomOpinion on Monday May 01, 2017 @10:46AM (#14237851)
> The double slit experiment shows that light has properties traditionally associated with waves (as opposed to particles).

Even for photons sent through one at a time? Nope. That's not behavior associated with any type of wave.

Re:Is Quantum Theory About Reality or What We Know? by AnimalMuppet on Monday May 01, 2017 @11:48AM (#14238525)
Well, it says that individual photons are still waves.
Re:Is Quantum Theory About Reality or What We Know? by burkaman on Monday May 01, 2017 @10:50AM (#14237897)
http://www.hitachi.com/rd/portal/highlight/quantum/index.htm...

It works when you send electrons one at a time, suggesting they are somehow interfering with themselves. In other words, the electrons are in both slits at once until we check. That might not literally be true, but it's not possible to explain the interference by saying we just don't know which slit they're going through.