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Re:Just Say No by marvy on Friday April 28, 2017 @03:13PM (#14222220)
> none of whom were successful lawyers

I think your main point is likely right, but your supporting examples are not. Wikipedia (at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln#Early_career_a...) says:

Lincoln became an able and successful lawyer with a reputation as a formidable adversary during cross-examinations and closing arguments

Likewise, we have https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton#Later_Arkansas...

She was twice named by The National Law Journal as one of the 100 most influential lawyers in America: in 1988 and in 1991.[123] When Bill Clinton thought about not running again for governor in 1990, Hillary Clinton considered running, but private polls were unfavorable and, in the end, he ran and was re-elected for the final time.[124]

Re:Just Say No by will_brown on Friday April 28, 2017 @07:58PM (#14224149)
I'll stand by my statement, I didn't say they were failures as lawyers they just simply are not what legal professionals would call the most successful lawyers.

A compliment on Lincoln's cross examination skills does not make a successful lawyer, though he did practice and litigate and unlike the others (that I know about) established case law. As far as Hillary, I wouldn't put to much stock in The National Law Journal - it's like the national dean's list, rising star lawyers, AV rating. What do you really know of her career? Did she take cases of first impression; set case law; argue before SCOTUS; set a record on a monetary judgment/damages; become partner at an AM100 firm or white shoe firm; hold a meaningful judicial clerkship; become a federal judge?

These are all smart people, successful politicians, but as lawyers I'm not sure anything ranks them in the upper echelons ...that certainly doesn't mean they were failures, which is being read into my statement, I think. Despite the thread opposing me, I don't see any merit based support they were the most successful lawyers.

Re:Just Say No by marvy on Saturday April 29, 2017 @12:57AM (#14225116)
> most successful lawyers

You added the word "most" :) Your revised statement is probably right

Re:Just Say No by will_brown on Saturday April 29, 2017 @01:23AM (#14225179)
The word "most" was in OP and my original comment
Re:Just Say No by marvy on Saturday April 29, 2017 @05:00PM (#14228712)
my bad, can't read