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Re:Is Every Speed Limit Too Low? by mirimir on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @10:11PM (#14199950)
Yes, basically. You make traffic lanes narrower, with much wider shoulders that are textured to discourage use. If there are bike lanes, you separate them with rounded dividers. Trees in the center divider also help. As do curves, and bumpouts around on-street parking.
Re:Is Every Speed Limit Too Low? by jdavis703 on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @11:59PM (#14200340)
People will just drive over textured bumps, I've seen it. You need to design the road such that people will damage their vehicle if they drive dangerously (things like on street parking, concrete bollards, tall curbs etc).
Re:Is Every Speed Limit Too Low? by Animats on Wednesday April 26, 2017 @01:24AM (#14200617)
Bollards 3, bozos 0. [1]

The Sidney Harbor Tunnel had a serious problem with oversized trucks getting wedged in the tunnel. Watch a truck drive past two sets of giant flashing overhead warning signs. They stop only when they reach the final sign at the tunnel mouth, a water curtain with a giant STOP sign projected on it.[2]

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_Cw0QJU8ro [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRKA7m-tbqM

Re:Is Every Speed Limit Too Low? by ropeladder on Wednesday April 26, 2017 @04:01AM (#14201273)
That water screen is really brilliant.
Re:Is Every Speed Limit Too Low? by bbcbasic on Wednesday April 26, 2017 @05:22AM (#14201638)
An earlier bridge for them to crash into will also do the job quite nicely.

To be nice make it out of crumpling noisy material, not concrete.

Re:Is Every Speed Limit Too Low? by masklinn on Wednesday April 26, 2017 @05:28AM (#14201664)
> An earlier bridge for them to crash into will also do the job quite nicely.

Except for the part where it requires significantly more maintenance to fix up the bridge and it's incredibly dangerous for drivers following, whether the truck hard-stops or gets its top sheared off.

Re:Is Every Speed Limit Too Low? by matthewdgreen on Wednesday April 26, 2017 @10:22AM (#14203182)
Hanging bars seem to solve this problem. Makes a loud terrifying noise when you hit them, but doesn't leave any permanent damage.
Re:Is Every Speed Limit Too Low? by Animats on Wednesday April 26, 2017 @01:46PM (#14205252)
Truckers may not notice if the problem is at the rear trailer, as it was in the video. The water curtain, although unusual, is not expensive. It's just a sprinkler pipe and a very bright slide projector.
Re:Is Every Speed Limit Too Low? by ascagnel_ on Wednesday April 26, 2017 @04:09PM (#14206508)
Also, it's at the start of a blind curve -- the road design naturally leads you to slow down as you approach, so stopping short be won't be as much of a problem.
Re:Is Every Speed Limit Too Low? by mirimir on Wednesday April 26, 2017 @01:12AM (#14200577)
Those are good points. Bollards, tall curbs, etc are appropriate for urban streets, because they protect pedestrians on sidewalks. But curbs are hazardous to bicyclists. More generally, you want streets that seem more dangerous than they actually are.
Re:Is Every Speed Limit Too Low? by dwighttk on Wednesday April 26, 2017 @11:15AM (#14203647)
"seems more dangerous" probably only works for so long... Surely people would get used to the "dangerous" streets and realize they aren't as dangerous as they seem.
Re:Is Every Speed Limit Too Low? by masklinn on Wednesday April 26, 2017 @05:24AM (#14201647)
> But curbs are hazardous to bicyclists.

You can easily cut a bypass through the curb or chicane.

Re:Is Every Speed Limit Too Low? by mirimir on Wednesday April 26, 2017 @06:48AM (#14201988)
True. I've gone down hard, though. At night, they can be hard to see.
Re:Is Every Speed Limit Too Low? by sqeaky on Wednesday April 26, 2017 @10:48AM (#14203414)
In neighborhoods near me we have gently sloping curbs. They are about a foot wider than the normal 90 degree curbs I see in more dense urban areas. It is easy to notice from the car if you pull partially up onto them. I suspect it also makes it slightly easier for cars to go of the road, but that hasn't been a real problem. Cars, bike and people seem to be at less risk from the curb directly.