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Re:Alphabet's Self-Driving Cars to Get Their First Real Riders by MarkMc on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @12:31PM (#14195163)
Actually I think Waymo is too cautious. Tesla has thousands of customers effectively acting as test drivers for their autonomous software, which allows them to collect data at a much faster rate and discover more 'edge cases' than with a more cautious test environment.

33,000 people die each year on US roads and self driving cars offer the chance to dramatically reduce that figure over time. The more aggressively we can test self-driving software now, the faster the software can be improved.

So as long as the accident rate for autonomous Teslas is initially no more than for human drivers, the Tesla approach will lead to fewer deaths in the long run.

Re:Alphabet's Self-Driving Cars to Get Their First Real Riders by Animats on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @01:31PM (#14195981)
Tesla no longer sells cars with automatic driving capability. The hardware is there on newly shipping cars (although the sensor suite is weak) but it's not active. There's a lawsuit.[1]

It's unlikely that Tesla gets much useful data from vehicles. To debug a vision system, they'd need the camera data from all the cameras, and that's too big to upload over the cell phone data link.

[1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/brookecrothers/2017/04/23/tesla...

Re:Alphabet's Self-Driving Cars to Get Their First Real Riders by kcorbitt on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @01:53PM (#14196225)
They don't need all the vision data -- likely what they're doing is running their beta self-driving features in the background all the time, and only send data back (1) when the driver's input differs dramatically from what the self-driver would have done itself, presumably because the driver saw something their software missed, and/or (2) when a driver gets in a crash (at which point they can check if their algorithm would have prevented the accident).

They just need to send back data from a few seconds before either of those scenarios to quickly accumulate a giant library of one-in-a-million edge cases they can test future algorithm tweaks against. I think it's a reasonable strategy.

Re:Alphabet's Self-Driving Cars to Get Their First Real Riders by greglindahl on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @04:14PM (#14197555)
This is a gross misrepresentation of what's happening with AP2. AP2 is not up to feature parity with AP1, but it's not true that "it's not active".

This article summarizes the latest AP2 software release: https://electrek.co/2017/03/30/tesla-autopilot-2-0-camera-8-...

Re:Alphabet's Self-Driving Cars to Get Their First Real Riders by sushirain on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @03:01PM (#14196909)
I couldn't find a reference to this:"Tesla no longer sells cars with automatic driving capability." Can you point to one?
Re:Alphabet's Self-Driving Cars to Get Their First Real Riders by Animats on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @03:37PM (#14197216)
Search Google for "Tesla disables autopilot".
Re:Alphabet's Self-Driving Cars to Get Their First Real Riders by sushirain on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @04:52PM (#14197894)
Thanks. I found that when they transitioned to Hardware2/AP2 they cut out most autopilot functionality, and since then have been gradually releasing updates that bring back that functionality.
Re:Alphabet's Self-Driving Cars to Get Their First Real Riders by gjjrfcbugxbhf on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @01:34PM (#14196020)
If you believe that self driving cars will make roads much safer you should be for lots of testing and a measured approach. It only takes a few more high profile accidents before society turns against them.
Re:Alphabet's Self-Driving Cars to Get Their First Real Riders by pps43 on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @01:10PM (#14195714)
Self driving cars also offer the chance to dramatically increase that figure. They have failure modes that do not exist with human drivers. Cautious is good.