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Re:Google Rewrites Its Powerful Search Rankings to Bury Fake... by KernlPanik on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @11:45AM (#14194539)
Who decides what is and isn't fake news? Surely an enormous corporation whose leaders are active in only one political party will be a fair and impartial judge.
Re:Google Rewrites Its Powerful Search Rankings to Bury Fake... by stephencanon on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @11:51AM (#14194621)
"Google’s PAC gave 56 percent of its 2016 contributions to Republicans and 44 percent to Democrats." [https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/12/opinion/silicon-valley-ta...] Whatever the political opinions of leadership, Alphabet as a company is happy to support whoever is in power.
Re:Google Rewrites Its Powerful Search Rankings to Bury Fake... by vnchr on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @12:09PM (#14194857)
The separation of economic interests and social interests is relevant here. There can be economic alignment with both parties and social alignment with one party.

According to leaked email via WikiLeaks[1], Alphabet's Executive Chairman Eric Schmidt had an interest in advising in the Democratic presidential campaign:

> I met with Eric Schmidt tonight. As David reported, he's ready to fund, advise recruit talent, etc.

There's obvious alignment between improving quality of news search results and Google's mission to organize the world's information. However, the timing of the initiative together with the current political climate suggest this is not an action made in isolation.

When do we begin to question this kind of action? When will it be too late to question it?

[1] https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/36828

Re:Google Rewrites Its Powerful Search Rankings to Bury Fake... by stephencanon on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @04:21PM (#14197611)
I agree, but I draw a different conclusion: executives' social alignment is mostly about signaling; PAC spending tells the true story.
Re:Google Rewrites Its Powerful Search Rankings to Bury Fake... by vnchr on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @07:36PM (#14199236)
That's worth considering. I took the PAC as pure pragmatism, but I'll think about the converse. Thanks for suggesting.
Re:Google Rewrites Its Powerful Search Rankings to Bury Fake... by eropple on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @11:48AM (#14194578)
With respect: after literal decades of the right wing using its stranglehold on talk radio to inculcate some awfully racist, awfully homophobic, and downright untrue things into members of my family (who I love very dearly despite it), I'm pretty okay with the shoe being on the other foot with regards to literal fictionmongers like Alex Jones on the Internet.

I'm sure, if The Market cares that much (and the right wing loves The Market), then there will be a thriving Conservoogle that will rise to provide unskewed results a-plenty where InfoWars and friends can cavort at the top of the SERPs.

Re:Google Rewrites Its Powerful Search Rankings to Bury Fake... by Karunamon on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @12:04PM (#14194796)
I'm pretty okay with the shoe being on the other foot with regards to literal fictionmongers like Alex Jones on the Internet.

The problem isn't that Infowars won't be ranked highly for news queries, the problem is exactly what GP said and what you glossed over: SV/academia people, who are overwhelmingly left-leaning (by location if nothing else), are not impartial arbiters of factuality.

And it's not like anyone is, but only the SV/academia types are getting input here.

That is a problem.

There is no way, none, that this won't be used against factual news with a conservative bent. I'd wager my entire net worth on it.

Eropple, please stop deleting your comments. You've done it twice now, and it makes having a conversation very difficult. Many of us are using a notification service and so your words remain in email inboxes.

Re:Google Rewrites Its Powerful Search Rankings to Bury Fake... by Neliquat on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @11:56AM (#14194702)
Pointing and saying 'but the other guys did it' is not a good reasoning strategy.
Re:Google Rewrites Its Powerful Search Rankings to Bury Fake... by aantix on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @11:48AM (#14194575)
Agree, as if "fake news" is full of absolutes.. Sarcastic, parody writing, should be buried but could be full of actual facts.

Poorly researched facts could surface if from a reputable source.

Re:Google Rewrites Its Powerful Search Rankings to Bury Fake... by xapata on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @01:00PM (#14195572)
Who decides what is or isn't true? Only you.

Or I suppose you could trust science and other institutions, occasionally, with appropriate skepticism. If Google explains how they classify things as fake news and you believe them, to a first approximation, then it's reasonable to be happy with this feature.

Re:Google Rewrites Its Powerful Search Rankings to Bury Fake... by giarc on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @11:52AM (#14194633)
I imagine they use the same or similar group that provides the recent fact checking update to search results. Run by the Sanford School of Public Policy.

https://reporterslab.org/fact-checking/

Re:Google Rewrites Its Powerful Search Rankings to Bury Fake... by eropple on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @11:54AM (#14194671)
Maybe. But the problem here is that the epistemic closure that makes people fear the addressing of "fake news"--and, to their string-pullers' credit, they were really good at co-opting the phrase to de-legitimize actual news--has already inculcated into those it encloses a primal fear of academia and those very "public policy" scholars.

I don't know how you unwind that, though.

Re:Google Rewrites Its Powerful Search Rankings to Bury Fake... by tarr11 on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @11:55AM (#14194684)
Until Google has a monopoly on disseminating truth, they are still a private corporation.

This means that they decide what is truth within Google properties.

Re:Google Rewrites Its Powerful Search Rankings to Bury Fake... by somebehemoth on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @11:48AM (#14194577)
This is a good point. My assumption is that Google's algorithms have less bias than Google's employees. To me this is better than allowing fake news to spread.
Re:Google Rewrites Its Powerful Search Rankings to Bury Fake... by wnevets on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @11:47AM (#14194560)
If it's from alex jones, it's fake news.
Re:Google Rewrites Its Powerful Search Rankings to Bury Fake... by Neliquat on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @12:00PM (#14194752)
The problem with Infowars or any other fringe source, is that they are right often enough. Sure obama didnt turn the frogs gay, but there were plenty of other factual stories covered in a factual way, before being spun into insanity. But you could argue many msm outlets also have very variable scruples, depending on the subject.

Ie. Infowars is generally poor quality, but not always false. I only read it for a giggle on occasion fwiw.

Re:Google Rewrites Its Powerful Search Rankings to Bury Fake... by wnevets on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @12:26PM (#14195078)
> but there were plenty of other factual stories covered in a factual way

for example?

The reality is even he has admitted he's just a "performance artist"

Re:Google Rewrites Its Powerful Search Rankings to Bury Fake... by kneel on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @11:48AM (#14194579)
Also theonion
Re:Google Rewrites Its Powerful Search Rankings to Bury Fake... by EGreg on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @11:52AM (#14194648)
We seem to be witnessing the death of accuracy in reporting. And maybe a post-truth era on the internet.

"I am sure 3 million illegal aliens voted while global warming is a hoax! Obama paid off all the scientists." - I literally have friends on facebook who say stuff like that every time I repost articles from HN about rising temperatures or CO2 concentrations.