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Re:Uber gets sued over alleged ‘Hell’ program to track Lyft ... by anigbrowl on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @12:00AM (#14190657)
You shouldn't need an ethics course in a university to think ethically. I've never taken one. Moral philosophy is something you either care about or don't. If you do care, it's easy to refine your thinking through the use of books by debating, though the latter is slow.

The simple question 'would I be pissed off if I were on the other side of this situation?' will get you halfway home in almost every case. It is your responsibility as a sentient being to make moral decisions, otherwise you're just half alive.

Re:Uber gets sued over alleged ‘Hell’ program to track Lyft ... by sillysaurus3 on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @02:02AM (#14191140)
I don't owe you anything. I don't have a duty to you. It's not my responsibility to be ethical toward you or to anyone else. If I were out on the street begging you for money, how much do you think you'd give me? Would you take me in, let me use your shower, eat your food, patiently wait for weeks for me to get a job? Would you treat me like family? How far will your ethics go when pushed to the limit?

Now, I'd like to be ethical. I want to choose to be. And I'd like us all to be ethical to each other. But you should make the case that it's beneficial for people to be ethical to each other because XYZ, not because they have a "responsibility" to do so, or that they're "half-alive" if they don't. And to say that ethics -- a massive topic that has flummoxed philosophers for thousands of years -- is easy, is just wishful thinking.

Re:Uber gets sued over alleged ‘Hell’ program to track Lyft ... by xaa on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @07:25AM (#14192479)
> Now, I'd like to be ethical. I want to choose to be. And I'd like us all to be ethical to each other. But you should make the case that it's beneficial for people to be ethical to each other

Well, you just implicitly made your own case for ethics, one of the strongest ones, IMO: any situation where there is a tradeoff between individual gain and communal loss, ethical thinking is required. If that tradeoff doesn't exist, like the win-win situations that can be encountered in many economic situations, ethics aren't required.

Therefore it's never "beneficial" to you as an individual to be ethical in any individual situation. It's only as the ethical decisions begin to pile up across society that we see clearly it is more beneficial in the aggregate if everyone co-operates than if everyone defects.

anigbrowl is just noting some common heuristics that generate similar ethical outcomes but using simpler logic.

Anyway, I think the reason people are going beyond legality to morality here is that Uber has established a pattern of behavior over time as an actor that doesn't follow the rules and does whatever it wants. It isn't accidental; they've exhausted their reserves of good faith.

Re:Uber gets sued over alleged ‘Hell’ program to track Lyft ... by anigbrowl on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @03:26AM (#14191449)
You don't owe me anything, you owe it to yourself.