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Re:The ORM Debate Still Rages On by runin2k1 on Monday April 24, 2017 @03:06PM (#14187060)
The debate is stupid because one side is taking an absolute position against a programming tool that has been used successfully by thousands(millions?) of projects.

The funny thing about the anti-ORM-ists position is that they are either:

1) Exclusively embedding raw SQL in their code, and accessing each query result by also hard-coding column names and value types in map look-ups. Maybe this is a "pure" approach, but it is also very brittle as models evolve.

Or,

2) They develop their own naive ORM implementation without the self-awareness to realize that is what they are doing. As zzzeek said, "If your application has objects, and talks to a relational database to marshal result rows into instances of those objects, you are using an ORM."

Re:The ORM Debate Still Rages On by narag on Monday April 24, 2017 @03:52PM (#14187541)
The debate is stupid because one side is taking an absolute position...

Look, I don't have a horse in this race, so let me tell you that, from the outside, it's not so clear which side is being more unreasonable. Or maybe it is.

Edit: just to add something tangible, you're misrepresenting others' position too much.