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Re:The root of all eval by adrianm on Monday April 24, 2017 @01:44AM (#14182176)
Isn't eval required to run in the null lexical environment? Or is that only true in Lisp?
Re:The root of all eval by hdhzy on Monday April 24, 2017 @02:35AM (#14182339)
In JavaScript it depends on how it is invoked: eval(a) has access to scope variables but x=eval;x(a) does not.
Re:The root of all eval by Gaelan on Monday April 24, 2017 @04:01AM (#14182613)
I am surprised that JavaScript can still surprise me.
Re:The root of all eval by hdhzy on Monday April 24, 2017 @06:53AM (#14183259)
I suggest reading the spec. 5.1 [0] although dated is written in very easy to understand language (well, most parts).

After that, fragments like this suddenly make sense:

    n = 1
    /1*"\/\//.test(n + '"//')

[0]: https://www.ecma-international.org/ecma-262/5.1/
Re:The root of all eval by Gaelan on Monday April 24, 2017 @01:38PM (#14186262)
My favorite bit of wat.js is this:

    [1,2,3] + [4,5,6] // => "1,2,34,5,6"
I mean, it makes some degree of logical sense (toString -> concat) but there is no reason that would ever be the intended behavior.

As for that expression, meh. You can write intentionally obtuse code in any language. The problem with JS is the behavior that is different from what you'd expect.

Re:The root of all eval by simcop2387 on Monday April 24, 2017 @02:31AM (#14182324)
No, in perl eval explicitly has access to the local scope. This is used for capturing otherwise fatal errors in perl (it can be used similarly to try/catch).
Re:The root of all eval by kazinator on Monday April 24, 2017 @02:01PM (#14186463)
Wouldn't the handlers for exception handling by dynamically scoped, not lexically?

If we have a try block, and call a function, and if that function throws, we want the try block to be able to catch that. The function is not understood as having magic access to an environment; it's a pervasive dynamic environment that is visible to the current execution context at all times, in which exit points for non-local transfers are established.

That's almost the entire point since an error situation that is entirely confined to a lexical scope can be dealt with using some local control flow (some form of goto, or structured derivative thereof).

Re:The root of all eval by simcop2387 on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @01:38AM (#14191063)
So with perl 5 there isn't a real exception handler like you'd expect from other languages (I'm unsure of perl 6). It works like the following (program output available at [1]):

    use v5.24.0;
    my $x = 1;
    my $y = "bar";
    
    sub foo { # this sub fails fatally
       die "what is going on here";
    }
    
    say "x is $x, y is $y"; # 1 and bar
    
    eval { # similar to try
      my $y = "baz"; # we have a new lexical scope in here too.
      $x = 2; # but this will change the outside scope since it's also available to us
      say "x is $x, y is $y"; # 2 and baz
      foo();
      $x = 3; # this never happens
    };
    
    if ($@) { # check for an error, similar to catch
       say "CAUGHT ERROR: ", $@; # just parrot the error out for now.
    }
    
    say "x is $x, y is $y"; # 2 and bar
Inside the eval the lexical scope outside is still available and a new one is also available. The error that happens gets stuffed into a special variable and you can choose to handle it or not later. This works the same way if you give eval a string to run also.

[1] https://perlbot.pl/pastebin/pl5u9w