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Re:Tomorrow's Cities: Singapore's plans for a smart nation by scurvy on Saturday April 22, 2017 @12:57PM (#14173411)
Doesn't 2/3 of Singapore live in public housing? That's a pretty subsidized way of life.
Re:Tomorrow's Cities: Singapore's plans for a smart nation by sho on Saturday April 22, 2017 @03:03PM (#14174131)
No, that is completely wrong, but admittedly it's a fairly uncommon situation so the confusion is understandable. Singapore is quite unique in that it's such a tiny city, the government has very tight control over land use, and as such has historically acted as a gigantic real estate developer. It has seen its mission as providing cost-effective and yes, sometimes subsidized, housing for its population, and the program to manage this is known as the HDB.

Over 80% of the population live in HDB-provided apartment housing. However, the vast majority of those residents own their own apartments, having purchased them from the government (and yes, certain subsidies can apply - up to perhaps 30% the fair value of the property). It's public housing only insofar as it was developed by the government - certainly not free or nearly-free as the phrase might imply in other countries, so it's quite a misleading term to use.

Re:Tomorrow's Cities: Singapore's plans for a smart nation by sheepmullet on Sunday April 23, 2017 @09:02PM (#14181296)
Last time I looked you could get a bto for ~$400k compared to $1.7-$2million for a comparable condo in the same area.
Re:Tomorrow's Cities: Singapore's plans for a smart nation by sho on Monday April 24, 2017 @01:33AM (#14182157)
The condo in that case is going to be far superior in every imaginable way. A $400k BTO is going to be very basic.

The rule of thumb is 20-30% discount on fair market value. Not 80%! Yes, it's a pretty sweet scheme if you're eligible, but it's not a total giveaway.

If you really could buy a $400k HDB that was comparable to the $2m condo next door then the $2m condo would never even be built, as there would be no market for it.

Re:Tomorrow's Cities: Singapore's plans for a smart nation by sheepmullet on Monday April 24, 2017 @04:22AM (#14182700)
HDB vs resale HDB is 20-30%.

HDB vs Condo is a lot more.

There are serious restrictions on resale hdb flats which cause them to be priced a lot lower than condos.

These restrictions are deliberate policy to ensure affordable housing and subsidise Citizens and PR.

The major ones:

- You have to be a citizen or PR of at least a few years. This cuts out 1.5 million people.

- You have to meet racial and PR quotas. This limits demand.

- You can't have other properties. This excludes people with overseas property and excludes wealthier Singaporeans from buying HDBs as investment property.

Re:Tomorrow's Cities: Singapore's plans for a smart nation by sho on Monday April 24, 2017 @05:41AM (#14182984)
Yes I know. You sound like you're agreeing with me. I was arguing against some long-ago comments that insinuated the subsidies were "massive", "incredible", etc, and that being born in singapore was some kind of golden ticket to a life of endless government gravy. This is not at all the case.

I don't know where people thing the SG government would get these "incredible" subsidies from anyway. It's not the UAE!