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Re:Devuan Jessie 1.0 RC by ThatGeoGuy on Friday April 21, 2017 @06:09PM (#14169825)
As a Devuan user (not a dev), it's more than just the init system though. Devuan is also doing lots of heavy lifting to keep udev separate from systemd, as well as other things (consolekit and polkit come to mind, as does dbus).

At this point systemd is a whole lot more than an init system. Most people don't have a complaint with regards to systemd units or how fast it boots, it's more to do with the amount of dependencies it seems to be sucking in (at least from my experience).

Re:Devuan Jessie 1.0 RC by hfjfktnc on Friday April 21, 2017 @06:44PM (#14170020)
> Devuan is also doing lots of heavy lifting to keep udev separate from systemd

So they do nothing as udev and systemd already are separate packages in Debian?

Re:Devuan Jessie 1.0 RC by cryptarch on Saturday April 22, 2017 @03:11PM (#14174180)
udev is part of the systemd code repository, and is not supported in systemd-less setups by upstream.

"Separate packages" does not imply "no dependencies".

Re:Devuan Jessie 1.0 RC by hfjfktnc on Saturday April 22, 2017 @06:47PM (#14175299)
And what does Devuan do?

Hint: udev in Devuan is just the unmodified Debian package. So much for the "heavy lifting" done by Devuan in the last years.

And udev w/o systemd is still supported upstream, just not building only udev (one also builds the systemd binaries and throws them away).

Re:Devuan Jessie 1.0 RC by JdeBP on Saturday April 22, 2017 @07:01PM (#14175360)
Re:Devuan Jessie 1.0 RC by ilwtekuysd on Sunday April 23, 2017 @02:59AM (#14176926)
You mean the "This system is mothballed."?

So, one person tried to write a replacement for udev and gave up. What should that tell me?