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Re:Lilium – Electric vertical take-⁠off and landing jet by Veratyr on Friday April 21, 2017 @03:34PM (#14168662)
> The first is that full autonomy is much easier in aviation than with ground transport.

> potentially for everyone if the economics of sharing these works out where regular folks could afford to hail these and the system could scale.

The idea is:

- You don't need pilot training

- The cost of the aircraft is shared among many people. You're not meant to buy one for yourself, you're meant to hail it like a taxi or Uber.

Plus, the only price I could find for a 1960s Cessna 172 is $12k. If you can't afford that, you can't buy a decent car either.

Re:Lilium – Electric vertical take-⁠off and landing jet by khedoros1 on Friday April 21, 2017 @04:22PM (#14169104)
> Plus, the only price I could find for a 1960s Cessna 172 is $12k.

Seems unusually low, compared to the offer prices listed here: http://www.aircraftdealer.com/aircraft_for_sale/Cessna_172/9...

Re:Lilium – Electric vertical take-⁠off and landing jet by Veratyr on Friday April 21, 2017 @04:49PM (#14169330)
I was looking at this, though I admittedly know little about purchasing used aircraft: https://www.trade-a-plane.com/search?category_level1=Single+...
Re:Lilium – Electric vertical take-⁠off and landing jet by khedoros1 on Friday April 21, 2017 @06:38PM (#14169977)
Ditto, I just though it might be useful to look at a larger sample size (taking "a 1960's Cessna 172" as more of a general example than an exact requirement).
Re:Lilium – Electric vertical take-⁠off and landing jet by ams6110 on Friday April 21, 2017 @07:31PM (#14170254)
Even if it's a real price, that's hardly the only cost to owning an airplane, if you actually fly it.
Re:Lilium – Electric vertical take-⁠off and landing jet by khedoros1 on Friday April 21, 2017 @08:27PM (#14170473)
Similarly, the purchase price of a car isn't the only cost of owning it. Someone else later in the thread broke down small plane ownership costs (about $8000, without flying, about $10k if you actually want to fly some).

I was just replying to the price comparison with a car. Going up the thread, part of the premise was that they couldn't afford to buy a Cessna "Nevermind the maintenance, training and more".

Anyhow, the point's already been made (several times) that the purchase price isn't the only consideration.

Re:Lilium – Electric vertical take-⁠off and landing jet by AcerbicZero on Friday April 21, 2017 @04:25PM (#14169123)
~30k-40k for a mid 60's 172 that will actually fly, after some maintenance.
Re:Lilium – Electric vertical take-⁠off and landing jet by ams6110 on Friday April 21, 2017 @07:30PM (#14170251)
Plenty of decent cars available for $12K.