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Re:What Is ‘Site Reliability Engineering’? by nailer on Thursday April 20, 2017 @07:22AM (#14155702)
> We care deeply about keeping SRE an engineering function, so our rule of thumb is that an SRE team must spend at least 50% of its time doing development.

Prior to SRE any good system administrator was doing this: "if it's worth doing, it's worth automating". But there was another half who were cutting and pasting shit from Word files into Solaris boxes. sysadmin -> SRE seems to have cleaned out the chaff.

Re:What Is ‘Site Reliability Engineering’? by traf68 on Thursday April 20, 2017 @11:04AM (#14157282)
How many developers selected hardware, configured hardware, burnt it in, racked and cabled it, entered it into a company insurance roster, made and maintained the interfaces and documented it?

This _was_ SA 101 and is the part you ignore. Hell even in 2007 if you didn't know hardware you were unemployable as an SA. What do devs writing json-rpc interfaces to monolith 1212 running oracle X as backend care about infra?

This is the sea change and not everybody agrees with it. You have a 'cloudy' perspective.

Re:What Is ‘Site Reliability Engineering’? by chrisp_dc on Thursday April 20, 2017 @01:25PM (#14158781)
I think knowing the hardware is less challenging than previously. The trend is to make everything whitebox and then abstract as software. Hypervisors replace supporting many hardware configurations and software defined SANs replace dedicated appliances.
Re:What Is ‘Site Reliability Engineering’? by nailer on Thursday April 20, 2017 @07:48PM (#14161906)
Configuration, asset management, interface config and documentation are included under things to automate and always have been.
Re:What Is ‘Site Reliability Engineering’? by rconti on Thursday April 20, 2017 @01:35PM (#14158902)
Both your "good" and "bad" examples seem to be more operator-type roles. so much sysadmin work in many shops cannot readily be automated -- doubly so if all of the 'easy' stuff has already been automated!