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Re:Leak Suggests NSA Was Deep in Middle East Banking System by fulafel on Monday April 17, 2017 @04:13AM (#14129791)
I think this is the line of thinking that puts off western non-US citizens about the American espionage machine. The shadow state is ingrained in people's minds as a given, and is not seen a tool that democratically elected leaders wield and control.

In addition being orders of magnitude better resourced than other countries' spy agencies, the US intelligence machine don't seem to be politically restrained by the traditional spook moderators of popular support or respect for other countries' sovereignity.

You can think that German spooks don't listen to Trump's phone calls because they have less resources and possibly competence, but that's because the politicians and voters choose to rein them in.

Re:Leak Suggests NSA Was Deep in Middle East Banking System by phil21 on Monday April 17, 2017 @11:27AM (#14131599)
> You can think that German spooks don't listen to Trump's phone calls because they have less resources and possibly competence, but that's because the politicians and voters choose to rein them in.

This is a great point. I think it actually says what I meant far better.

The US created and funded these organizations. As a US citizen them doing their jobs (foreign intelligence gathering) is exactly what I expect of them.

I also am vehemently opposed to their vast budgets and power. It would be nice to "reign them in" by vastly reducing their resources, but there doesn't seem to be much political willpower for that. I firmly think that in your example, it's simple resource starvation - not due to lack of willpower or competence to do so.

I think the data sharing (and other similar things) agreements the CIA/NSA uses is absolutely problematic, as it's an obvious end-around the constitution and should have been slapped down hard. Once these details came out the agency should have been shut down.