Re:US drops 'largest non-nuclear bomb' in Afghanistan
by boomboomsubban on Saturday April 15, 2017 @12:48PM
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So what do you call a war who's aim is to install a friendly government and take over some amount of the nation's sovereignty?
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Re:US drops 'largest non-nuclear bomb' in Afghanistan
by gozur88 on Saturday April 15, 2017 @08:18PM
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I suppose I would call it that if that were the aim of the war.
Re:US drops 'largest non-nuclear bomb' in Afghanistan
by boomboomsubban on Saturday April 15, 2017 @11:35PM
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Our goal was removing the Taliban, and taking the right to police residents of the country, particularly Bin Laden, without the need of jurisprudence. Set up a friendly government, take over sovereign right. What am I missing here?
Re:US drops 'largest non-nuclear bomb' in Afghanistan
by gozur88 on Sunday April 16, 2017 @03:01PM
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Okay. What does that have to do with "war of aggression" and "imperialism". We weren't there on a lark.
Re:US drops 'largest non-nuclear bomb' in Afghanistan
by boomboomsubban on Sunday April 16, 2017 @05:27PM
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Starting the war for those aims is a war of aggression, removing the Taliban is setting up a friendly government, removing their right to police is a removal of sovereignty.
Really confused what you're going on about, you keep saying I'm wrong but don't try to say why.
Re:US drops 'largest non-nuclear bomb' in Afghanistan
by gozur88 on Sunday April 16, 2017 @06:42PM
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>Starting the war for those aims is a war of aggression...
No it isn't. That's not at all true.
Re:US drops 'largest non-nuclear bomb' in Afghanistan
by flukus on Monday April 17, 2017 @08:56PM
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So you wouldn't classify Napoleons invasion and the creation of Westphalia as a war of aggression?
How about Ceasars invasion of Gaul? He had a casus belli.
Re:US drops 'largest non-nuclear bomb' in Afghanistan
by boomboomsubban on Sunday April 16, 2017 @11:19PM
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Yeah, it is. There's millennia of precedent here and I'm not going any further to argue against "nuh-uh."
Re:US drops 'largest non-nuclear bomb' in Afghanistan
by gozur88 on Monday April 17, 2017 @07:13PM
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Precedent? This isn't a court case. I begin to see the problem here: You're misapplying a historical template. This isn't 19th Century British Empire - the US had an iron-clad casus belli in Afghanistan, and to ignore that is to completely mischaracterize the situation.
Re:US drops 'largest non-nuclear bomb' in Afghanistan
by boomboomsubban on Monday April 17, 2017 @08:51PM
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"This isn't a court case, they had an iron-clad case for war." The only point of a cassus belli is to justify your war of aggression, if someone declares war on you the case for it is clear.
And no, the cassus belli was not iron-clad. There are only three legal ones under current law. Defense, defense of an ally, and a UN approval. First two don't work, Afghanistan hadn't declared any wars, and the third never happened.