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Re:Optical illusions that flummox computers by zeteo on Saturday April 15, 2017 @11:59AM (#14121278)
Burying the lede:

> The fact that the same fooling images can scramble the “minds” of AI systems developed independently by Google, Mobileye, or Facebook, reveals weaknesses that are apparently endemic to contemporary AI as a whole. [...] “All these networks are agreeing that these crazy and non-natural images are actually of the same type. That level of convergence is really surprising people.”

Re:Optical illusions that flummox computers by shmageggy on Saturday April 15, 2017 @12:14PM (#14121366)
This isn't surprising to me at all, since these systems are only "developed independently" in a very narrow sense. Each company may have it's own implementation (Tensorflow vs. Torch, etc) but they are implementations of nearly identical underlying models, namely deep convolutional neural networks. We shouldn't be surprised that they all agree since they are all the same under the hood, probably even down to the level of choice of hyperparameters (stride length, filter size, etc) since there is plenty of research on what kind of deep net works best on particular applications.
Re:Optical illusions that flummox computers by mholt on Saturday April 15, 2017 @12:27PM (#14121429)
That would be convenient, but even when the machine learning models are implemented differently, as long as they accomplish the same task, the attacks often transfer from one to another. Papernot et al.'s latest research suggests that it is the space of the embeddings within a network, rather than the weights and nodes themselves, which define the effectiveness of adversarial examples. Models which accomplish the same tasks often have spaces that overlap, and that overlap multiplies by dimensions, if I read it right.
Re:Optical illusions that flummox computers by paulsutter on Saturday April 15, 2017 @02:01PM (#14121894)
Everyone is using the imagenet database, so this outcome is less surprising than it may seem.
Re:Optical illusions that flummox computers by srtjstjsj on Saturday April 15, 2017 @03:12PM (#14122295)
Google and Facebook are also using their own huge datasets