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Re:Apple receives permit in California to test self-driving ... by jedberg on Saturday April 15, 2017 @01:49AM (#14119591)
Your reasoning is excellent. The only problem is that Apple doesn't have sufficient drive, talent, or reputation, in the cell phone industry to actually make and sell a good cell phone. No employee wants to leave Motorola to work at Apple. No consumer wants to buy a phone made by Apple. Hopefully Steve and the gang won't blow through too much money before they accept that. They're pretty good at making computers. They might want to focus on keeping that reputation in the meantime.
Re:Apple receives permit in California to test self-driving ... by fgonzag on Saturday April 15, 2017 @02:32AM (#14119671)
I mean from a computer to a mp3 player to a phone is the same ballpark. Electronics. Moving to mechanical systems is a whole different thing.

I'm not saying it won't work out, but I don't think their plan is manufacturing cars. Maybe it's just licensing the self driving tech along with the infotainment system.

Re:Apple receives permit in California to test self-driving ... by briandear on Saturday April 15, 2017 @07:03AM (#14120254)
Yet somehow Elon Musk went from internet payments to building rockets and cars. Musk had zero background in rockets or cars. Remember Apple is a company that has more cash in the bank than the entire value of Tesla. It's foolish to think that Apple can't execute. Remember Apple has a long history of the last mover advantage: they take promising but cumbersomely executed tech and expand on it.
Re:Apple receives permit in California to test self-driving ... by Keyframe on Saturday April 15, 2017 @09:12AM (#14120594)
That's an interesting point and dwells in philosophical space.

Is Apple an entity with knowledge that it accumulates, develops, and applies or are people who work on and hold key positions in projects the ones that bring forth knowledge, develop it and apply it?

Is company's know-how separate from people working on it, and are people the ones who (can) bring it into the company or are people coming to the company and applying company's knowledge? What happens if either lacks - can a company bring in (group of) knowledge and can a company bring in (a group) of talent without (much) knowledge?

Cases can be made for both, I guess. So, there's no straight answer.

Re:Apple receives permit in California to test self-driving ... by ansgri on Saturday April 15, 2017 @07:30AM (#14120336)
Yet hardware, especially dumb mechanical parts like cases, is what distinguishes Apple devices the most. They also design awful inconvenient UIs, just like auto companies.
Re:Apple receives permit in California to test self-driving ... by mojuba on Saturday April 15, 2017 @02:58AM (#14119723)
But surely Apple can cooperate with one of the car makers? There is no indication that they are or are not working on it with someone else.
Re:Apple receives permit in California to test self-driving ... by sangnoir on Saturday April 15, 2017 @07:56AM (#14120403)
You seem to be forgetting the Moto ROKR, when Apple extracted a lot of cell phone expertize from Motorola with "iTunes collaboration" as a cover.
Re:Apple receives permit in California to test self-driving ... by charlesism on Saturday April 15, 2017 @03:11AM (#14119745)
My impression is that building a car involves a fairly different set of skills (ie: pretty much everything except the dashboard) than Apple has.

The thought of bringing in 95% new-hires to work on a project in which your company has no experience... I mean, why?

If the primary motivation is money, without sufficient passion, good luck competing with Tesla - where they live and breath electric cars.

Re:Apple receives permit in California to test self-driving ... by briandear on Saturday April 15, 2017 @07:06AM (#14120264)
What were Tesla people doing before they made cars? We could have made this argument comparing Tesla to GM a few years ago.
Re:Apple receives permit in California to test self-driving ... by charlesism on Saturday April 15, 2017 @10:13AM (#14120772)
My point about experience is that it's not Apple building this car, it's basically a new group at Apple handicapped by poor motives.

In the context of my comment, Tesla's answer to "why" was a bit more inspiring than "we need to enter a new market because our existing markets are saturated"

Re:Apple receives permit in California to test self-driving ... by snovv_crash on Saturday April 15, 2017 @02:12AM (#14119642)
You're not holding it right, so you don't have signal vs. you're not sitting in it right, we're sorry everyone died.

Phones are toys. Cars kill people and are highly regulated.

Re:Apple receives permit in California to test self-driving ... by iancarroll on Saturday April 15, 2017 @02:55AM (#14119719)
I think Apple may be able to make this distinction as well. You portray them as an incompetent organization based on one defect. And, of course, car manufacturers routinely put out products with life threatening defects (i.e. Takata), so it's not like they're immune from fault either.
Re:Apple receives permit in California to test self-driving ... by snovv_crash on Saturday April 15, 2017 @03:14AM (#14119752)
I'm not worried about their technical capabilities. I'm worried about a company culture that blames the customer when the product is misused or doesn't meet industry standards in some way. Things they have gotten away with in the phone and computer market will kill people in the automotive market.
Re:Apple receives permit in California to test self-driving ... by tim333 on Saturday April 15, 2017 @04:23AM (#14119907)
I had the iPhone in question (the original 4) and it wasn't that bad. It's not like other consumer products have no glitches and always work perfectly however you use them.
Re:Apple receives permit in California to test self-driving ... by true_religion on Saturday April 15, 2017 @03:48AM (#14119824)
Not meeting industry standards, with respect to cars, is illegal.

Mis-using vehicles while operating on the road is illegal.

Cars are far more tightly regulated both for end-users and for manufacturers.

Re:Apple receives permit in California to test self-driving ... by snovv_crash on Saturday April 15, 2017 @03:18PM (#14122328)
What I'm getting at is that Apple likes to restrict their devices to work very well in the narrow designed use case, and make the non-designed use case very cumbersome.

However, people use cars across broad use cases. Some just commute, but some drive in snow, some need to ford small streams in emergencies, some need to install roof racks, and some want car-seats for infants.

I don't see Apple designing for broad use cases, because it isn't in their culture. And that will be a problem, because cars are not toys that you can choose not to use without large consequences.

Re:Apple receives permit in California to test self-driving ... by charlesism on Saturday April 15, 2017 @03:32AM (#14119779)

    > Your reasoning is excellent.
Fwiw, I meant that sincerely. I just doubt Apple can pull it off.
Re:Apple receives permit in California to test self-driving ... by georgespencer on Saturday April 15, 2017 @06:41AM (#14120204)
Bingo.