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Re:EFF is countersuing a patent troll that wants its name re... by musesum on Friday April 14, 2017 @06:56PM (#14118048)
Modest proposal: put all patent license fees into a 17 year escrow. Fees returned if patent overturned. Publish a list of patent #'s and escrow amounts. Allow for class action suits to represent the licensees. Sever and nullify any clauses in existing agreements that would prevent a licensee from participating in a class action suit. IANAL; merely a defensive patent holder.
Re:EFF is countersuing a patent troll that wants its name re... by Crosseye_Jack on Friday April 14, 2017 @09:36PM (#14118843)
Would this drive to more or larger IP holding firms (One of the complaints of Trolls is they don't actually make anything)?

You create something patent-able. Knowing you will not see any money for 17 years you sell your patent to someone for a lump sum. You get your cash for making for thing, they get their payday after a 17 year wait. End result (which jump to my mind) is patents are turned into financial products managed by companies that "don't actually make anything" enforcing their terms as it will increase profits at the end of the investment period.

Just wondering how that would be any different to what we have now apart from the people creating the "inventions" patents are tied to probably getting a worse deal then they are now as there is a 17 year wait for "payday".

EDIT: Also Who would manage the escrow accounts? Would there be fee's to pay? Any interest earned? If so who pays / receives those? Will they be payable at/receivable at the end of the term or throughout. What if if the patent is dismissed? Do the interest/fee's get passed back to those who paid the licensing fees? What about appeals? And what about inflation?

First thought it sounds like a nice idea, refund everyone if a bad patent gets though, but I can see it just hurting the inventors more then patent trolls.

Re:EFF is countersuing a patent troll that wants its name re... by musesum on Friday April 14, 2017 @11:03PM (#14119117)
> Would this drive to more or larger IP holding firms (One of the complaints of Trolls is they don't actually make anything)?

Perhaps a variation on "Petition to Make Special" ?? We used this to expedite a patent application. The premise is that you need a patent in order to secure financing to build the product. And it was factored into our Series A and B. Downside, is that if you don't use it, you lose it. Am lucky that none of my patents have been used by Trolls.

> people creating the "inventions" patents are tied to probably getting a worse deal then they are now as there is a 17 year wait for "payday".

I wonder how many pure inventors there are versus makers? We made a product. I was a co-founder that assigned my inventions to the company.

When I first got into this, I read that the Government incentive behind patents is to increase US commerce. So, the question is: do Trolls increase or decrease US commerce? (Or any other nation state, for that matter).

Unfortunately, litigation is a part of US commerce. Plus, laws are made by lawyers. So, the modest proposal was somewhat cynical. Restated: how to offer up an opportunity for lawyers to sue trolls? Hopefully, while making it easier for small startups to make stuff.

Re:EFF is countersuing a patent troll that wants its name re... by CobrastanJorji on Friday April 14, 2017 @07:08PM (#14118098)
Downside: an individual who made an important discovery and patented her invention and licensed her technology to large companies would not be able to access her money for 17 years.
Re:EFF is countersuing a patent troll that wants its name re... by caf on Friday April 14, 2017 @07:36PM (#14118295)
Presumably you'd be able to get a loan secured against the escrowed revenue. If this actually happened you'd no doubt see specific tailored financial solutions for this.
Re:EFF is countersuing a patent troll that wants its name re... by FireBeyond on Friday April 14, 2017 @08:37PM (#14118610)
Like you can get a loan or advance against annuities and settlements now?

Where the _best_ of these will take fifty per cent as a fee?

Sounds a great deal.

Re:EFF is countersuing a patent troll that wants its name re... by YokoZar on Friday April 14, 2017 @08:50PM (#14118671)
If half of all patents are known to be bogus then yeah, that'd be a fine deal.
Re:EFF is countersuing a patent troll that wants its name re... by __s on Saturday April 15, 2017 @09:53AM (#14120709)
So as an escrow company I should also fund the creation of bogus patents to increase the rates of my business model
Re:EFF is countersuing a patent troll that wants its name re... by caf on Saturday April 15, 2017 @11:35PM (#14124197)
This makes no sense, because the only reason a higher proportion of bogus patents would increase the interest rate charged is because it would increase the risk that the patent returns very little in revenue (the higher interest rates aren't increasing profit, they're covering higher risk).

I think what'd you'd actually see is specialist patent funding actuaries and patent evaluators making an interest rate bid dependent on the actual patent and inventor in question, much the way insurance industry works. The direct competition would be business loans, and maybe that'd be essentially what they were - secured business loans.

Re:EFF is countersuing a patent troll that wants its name re... by musesum on Friday April 14, 2017 @11:16PM (#14119166)
A friend sold a company to a Dot Com for stock at its peak. S/he factored the strike price. During the waiting period, the stock tanked. So, s/he got significantly more than what the stock was worth.
Re:EFF is countersuing a patent troll that wants its name re... by musesum on Friday April 14, 2017 @11:10PM (#14119148)
I wonder if a variation of cut-and-choose would work? Choose your own timeframe. 5 years, 17 year, whatever makes sense to release the escrow.

Lets say the USPTO uses Deep Learning to discover prior art and/or result disputes. A shorter time frame may be less risky for the inventor. After the escrow is released, there is no recourse for the licensee.

Re:EFF is countersuing a patent troll that wants its name re... by mcbits on Friday April 14, 2017 @07:13PM (#14118131)
Another proposal: Give patent examiners X% of all revenue from the patents they approve. However, if any of their approved patents is ever found to be invalid, they lose all future revenues and their job. This would be strong incentive to reject all but the most promising applications.