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Re:New research says starting university classes at 11am wou... by s3r3nity on Thursday April 13, 2017 @02:54PM (#14109874)
Sure, and there are smokers who start when they're 16 and never develop lung cancer.

You may be the outlier, rather than the average scenario.

Re:New research says starting university classes at 11am wou... by jriot on Thursday April 13, 2017 @03:02PM (#14109955)
Aside from air traffic control having a fail-out of rate of 80% due to the nature of the job, we all did it and became certified.
Re:New research says starting university classes at 11am wou... by benchaney on Thursday April 13, 2017 @04:28PM (#14110652)
This is survivorship bias.
Re:New research says starting university classes at 11am wou... by jriot on Thursday April 13, 2017 @04:48PM (#14110803)
It is not, because to completely failed out of training there have to documented examples of why that individual can't perform the job. We make every accommodation to see if they can perform. However, the job requires you being able to work at any hour, thus they aren't able to perform the duties of the job.
Re:New research says starting university classes at 11am wou... by tormeh on Thursday April 13, 2017 @05:08PM (#14110948)
It sounds like you're arguing for the title here. You say the job requires you to work at any hour, among other things. You say the lessons are at 6 in the morning. You say 80% fail. Sure, it doesn't conclusively prove that people drop out because of those two things, but it seems likely.
Re:New research says starting university classes at 11am wou... by benchaney on Thursday April 13, 2017 @05:04PM (#14110911)
"However, the job requires you being able to work at any hour, thus they aren't able to perform the duties of the job."

That is why it is survivorship bias. You are assuming that it is possible for everyone because you and your coworkers were able to do it, while ignoring the fact that many people flunked out because they couldn't do it. That is what survivorship bias is.

Re:New research says starting university classes at 11am wou... by jriot on Thursday April 13, 2017 @05:17PM (#14110990)
Survivorship bias is when the people who survive don't understand why other people failed. We understand why they failed and the most common reason is that most people aren't comfortable making quick decisions where people's lives are at stack. Time of day usually isn't a factor here, but people's confidence in themselves to trust their training and decisions. The other reason is people just can't handle the shear amount of knowledge (rules) required to perform the job. Such as not everyone can become a surgeon due to the education, skill-set and intelligence required not every person can due air traffic control.
Re:New research says starting university classes at 11am wou... by benchaney on Thursday April 13, 2017 @05:28PM (#14111051)
As you said earlier, some people drop out because they can't work at all hours. You don't know why, but you are assuming that it is because they don't work as hard as you . Hence survivorship bias. People who drop out for reasons other than not being able to work effectively at all hours are irrelevant.
Re:New research says starting university classes at 11am wou... by jriot on Thursday April 13, 2017 @08:47PM (#14111930)
The only way you can 'drop-out' per-se is if you diagnose yourself with 'fear of controlling'. Meaning the job scares you, outside of that you cannot just quit.