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Re:Here’s How The Government Can Fix Silicon Valley: Leave I... by hga on Monday June 07, 2010 @10:35AM (#1410642)
"Handouts" is an excessively and inaccurately pejorative way of describing all that.

The military was buying real stuff, e.g. RADARs, that had real, measurable characteristics (can you detect a plane at this distance).

And it was used in real life:

In the mid-late '50s my father was the First Lieutenant on the USS Searcher (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Searcher_%28AGR-4%29), a radar picket ship stationed in the North Atlantic. While based in Newport, Rhode Island, she would occasionally stop in Boston for installation of a new RADAR system, most likely the product of Route 128 and/or Silicon Valley.

She would then steam out for a few days to shake it down, drop back to Boston to drop off the civilian technicians and return to station.

Re:Here’s How The Government Can Fix Silicon Valley: Leave I... by dugmartin on Monday June 07, 2010 @10:57AM (#1410720)
I was responding to the last paragraph of the blog post:

    We don’t want handouts. We don’t want "public-private
    partnerships," and we sure as hell don’t want legislation.
Those three things helped build the Valley.
Re:Here’s How The Government Can Fix Silicon Valley: Leave I... by hga on Monday June 07, 2010 @11:13AM (#1410760)
And I firmly disagree with your characterization of customer-vendor relationships as being any of the above three.

With the single exception of the post-WWII government supported basic and applied research model. This would sometimes produce the basis for new toys the military then bought, but it's most certainly not the sense in which "public-private partnerships" is used today.

Again, the government was buying "stuff", abstract stuff, I grant you, but we're not talking about e.g. "investing" half a billion dollars in a solar cell factory who's production will only find a market due to hefty government tax breaks.

Re:Here’s How The Government Can Fix Silicon Valley: Leave I... by politicalist on Monday June 07, 2010 @11:42AM (#1410834)
The poster you're responding to is correct. Michael Arrington uses heavy rhetoric, so we should probably translate "handouts" to mean expensive economic intervention which benefits an industry. Silicon Valley's fundamental innovations were driven by government research and intervention, through the military.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/02/technology/02darpa.html?_r...

Arrington actually argues in favor of heavy government intervention: high speed trains, subsidized computers for children, etc. Just not the kind which might conceivably worry Silicon Valley investors.

I agree with some of the article's stances -- like on net neutrality and probably copyright.

Re:Here’s How The Government Can Fix Silicon Valley: Leave I... by hga on Monday June 07, 2010 @11:56AM (#1410874)
No he doesn't, he's saying "if the government wants to spend money on innovation" then do it in leveraging infrastructure. He makes it clear that this is a "first do no harm" sort of thing in the closing "Heck, put a woman on the moon. I don’t know if that last one will do much, but at least they’ll be busy not screwing up Silicon Valley while they’re at it."

Governments like to spend money, he's suggesting what he sees as the least harmful ways to do that, not suggesting, at least in this post, that they do it in the first place.

(While he's not making it here, there's a strong argument to not do "unnecessary" government spending since it crowds out what the market would choose. Every dollar borrowed to build high speed trains is a dollar plus overhead not available to fund a startup.)