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Re:A Lizard with Scales That Behave Like a Cellular Automaton by tombert on Wednesday April 12, 2017 @10:34PM (#14103675)
It's things like this that help validate my hypothesis: If you define something in mathematical theory, eventually we'll find some way to use it for modelling something.

I've been fascinated by Cellular Automata since I read Wolfram "A New Kind of Science", but I was not overly sold that you could model the universe in the way he described.

While I still think he was incredibly over-optimistic about the uses of cellular automata, I do wonder if after a number of years we'll find some more validation in nature.

Re:A Lizard with Scales That Behave Like a Cellular Automaton by db48x on Wednesday April 12, 2017 @11:06PM (#14103823)
Wolfram's "A New Kind of Science" is extremely overstated.

On the other hand, I think Turing first suggested that animal coloration might turn out to be related to cellular automata. Sadly that's the kind of over-broad suggestion that turns out to be largely untrue, with possibly only a few exceptions. Mosty it's probably X-inactivation.

Re:A Lizard with Scales That Behave Like a Cellular Automaton by db48x on Thursday April 13, 2017 @01:11PM (#14108898)
Well, now that it's morning I can't say that it's "mostly" X inactivation; male zebras and tigers are striped so that's not going to be X inactivation.
Re:A Lizard with Scales That Behave Like a Cellular Automaton by david-given on Thursday April 13, 2017 @08:35AM (#14106242)
If you're interested in cellular automata, a must read is Greg Egan's short story _Wang's Carpets_, which later became a chapter in his novel _Diaspora_ (which is superb). It's not formally published on the interwebs but there are copies floating around everywhere.

Cellular automatons occur everywhere in nature. We don't really have the technology to explore them; I do find myself wondering if there are automata sophisticated enough to support complex structures, hiding in the higher-order interactions, which are completely invisible to us...

Re:A Lizard with Scales That Behave Like a Cellular Automaton by db48x on Thursday April 13, 2017 @01:15PM (#14108940)
Yea, Diaspora was an excellent book.

Biology tends not to be much like the mathematical cellular automata; it's generally much messier. On the other hand, we're made up of lots of cells and all of those cells are just tiny machines following programs, so I guess it's true by definition. Still, it's nothing like the minimal automata everyone likes to play with.

Re:A Lizard with Scales That Behave Like a Cellular Automaton by dmd on Thursday April 13, 2017 @12:33PM (#14108505)
His "permutation city" is directly about cellular automata.
Re:A Lizard with Scales That Behave Like a Cellular Automaton by dudeonthenet on Thursday April 13, 2017 @01:39PM (#14109161)
Hah.. beat me to it :) I was about to recommend Permutation City while seeing your comment. That was an intense book, to say the least.
Re:A Lizard with Scales That Behave Like a Cellular Automaton by averagewall on Thursday April 13, 2017 @06:38AM (#14105681)
That's not really a hypothesis because it can't be disproven. More like a feeling. Evidence will accumulate to support it but nothing can weaken it. So it's already known to be as-good-as-true and not useful scientifically.
Re:A Lizard with Scales That Behave Like a Cellular Automaton by goldenkey on Wednesday April 12, 2017 @11:26PM (#14103911)
I'm actually working on a CA that'll hopefully reproduce primitive life.

Not Wolfram's way though.

https://scrollto.com/life-a-universe-simulation/

Re:A Lizard with Scales That Behave Like a Cellular Automaton by rtkwe on Thursday April 13, 2017 @10:25AM (#14107183)
Have you read Permutation City by Greg Egan? It features a similar toy universe built as cellular automata idea.
Re:A Lizard with Scales That Behave Like a Cellular Automaton by goldenkey on Thursday April 13, 2017 @09:25PM (#14112098)
No I haven't, I'll have to check it out, thanks for the reference.