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Re:Tesla unveils its new ‘sleek and low-profile’ solar panel... by IanCal on Tuesday April 11, 2017 @06:47AM (#14086473)
[Similar disclaimers about not being a physicist go here]

Something that's going to be a bit tricky here is that electrons are really, really slow when we're talking about electricity through a wire. The electrons will bounce around very quickly at random, but the average flow caused by a current is slow. Really, really slow.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drift_velocity

For a specific but not unreasonable example:

> Therefore in this wire the electrons are flowing at the rate of −0.000023 m/s. At 60 Hz alternating current, this means that within half a cycle the electrons drift less than 0.2 μm. In other words, electrons flowing across the contact point in a switch will never actually leave the switch.

That kind of speed means that any messages sent over a copper wire are not going to be sending electrons all the way for that message. The electrons that 'carry' the message "I AM A VIRTUAL SWORD" will not go from my machine to yours as a rushing block. Instead all I'll be doing is tapping the end of a very long pole connecting our two properties, so you can read the message by the patterns of the end of the pole in your house moving ever-so-slightly.

So, I guess I am transferring mass, but nothing that comes from me goes to you.

This also assumes a very particular direction. There's nothing, as far as I'd understand, that requires me to be pushing electrons at you. I could be pulling on the pole slightly rather than pushing.

I'd love any corrections or additions to this, purely my lay understanding of the topic.

Re:Tesla unveils its new ‘sleek and low-profile’ solar panel... by pwagland on Tuesday April 11, 2017 @07:16AM (#14086615)
Even ignoring the speed of the electrons, this ignores that several steps of that route will almost certainly be done over fibre anyway, and at that point there is clearly no transfer or electrons from the "seller" to the "buyer". Although I have no idea whether or not this is relevant to the legal question at hand…
Re:Tesla unveils its new ‘sleek and low-profile’ solar panel... by photojosh on Tuesday April 11, 2017 @10:52PM (#14094352)
Water is another good analogy. When you turn on a tap/faucet, the water that comes out is the water that was just sitting there in that last few inches of pipe, it didn't come all the way from the city's dam in that time.

Also with waves in water; put a ball floating at the beach and it'll mostly stay put bobbing up and down. (It's only when the waves actually break that there is substantial movement of actual "bits" of water.)

Re:Tesla unveils its new ‘sleek and low-profile’ solar panel... by selimthegrim on Tuesday April 11, 2017 @12:10PM (#14089463)