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Re:Bible or Qur'an: See a verse from either. Can you guess w... by jasonkostempski on Friday April 07, 2017 @03:26PM (#14062789)
I'm guessing the majority of both Christians and Muslims would admit, when not under threat of being kill for saying so, that they don't follow these books by the letter, not even half of it. What I don't get is, if you don't, why lump yourself in with the insane bunch that do? Call yourself something else (that doesn't include the original name) or, better yet, don't give yourself any label and build an modifiable set of principles based on personal experience and advice from people you respect, not commandments from people who say they know better than you.
Re:Bible or Qur'an: See a verse from either. Can you guess w... by mutatio on Friday April 07, 2017 @04:24PM (#14063213)
"Modifiable" is fundamentally contradictory to a core concept of Islam; the Qur'an (mother of books) is infallible and not open to change by mankind - it has existed beside God from the beginning and transcends time. This is where it is quite radically different to Christianity (New Testament).
Re:Bible or Qur'an: See a verse from either. Can you guess w... by jasonkostempski on Friday April 07, 2017 @05:38PM (#14063707)
How could infallible information even be stored in fallible information storage units a.k.a words? Interpretation by mankind is the same thing as changing it. Anyway, I'm not saying change or amend the books. Qur'an 2.0 would be carrying forward the "Qur'an" label, the opposite of what I'm talking about. Christianity amended in the past for whatever reason but I don't think we'll see that happen again, they're playing the same game. Since the majority of of people in both camps are visibly not following these books by the letter, I think it's safe to assume most don't actually believe them 100% and should stop labeling themselves.
Re:Bible or Qur'an: See a verse from either. Can you guess w... by mutatio on Saturday April 08, 2017 @03:52AM (#14065856)
It's a belief system, Muslims believe it was orated to Muhammad, perfectly, without error (except that one time) - your technical view of information transfer is disingenuous with the topic at hand; just try your proposal on moderate, practising Muslims and see how far it gets.

Some of the content of the Old Testament and Qur'an are pretty explicit in their brutality so I don't see how you would get round that... Redact it?

Re:Bible or Qur'an: See a verse from either. Can you guess w... by jasonkostempski on Sunday April 09, 2017 @09:15PM (#14075314)
If most Muslims believe it, why aren't most brutes? Or are most?

> (except that one time)

That made me laugh even though I don't get the reference. What is it?

Also, according to Wikipedia, the Qur'an isn't even believed to be directly written by Muhammad. Is everyone involved in it's current compilation assumed to be just as perfect as him?