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Re:New York City bans employers from asking potential worker... by alistairSH on Friday April 07, 2017 @11:02AM (#14060254)
The parent is discussing prior salaries. You are discussing requested salaries.

If specifically asked "What is your current salary?" you would typically respond with the actual current salary, not your ideal new salary.

Re:New York City bans employers from asking potential worker... by papabrown on Saturday April 08, 2017 @04:16AM (#14065920)
I would rather talk what my salary expectations are rather than my current salary. Not because I'm underpaid but because salary is a very specific term and doesn't take into account many other factors.

For instance, I think the worst bonus I've ever received with my current employer is 15%. Best was 30% or so.

That's not salary. But it's fairly reliable. With the new employer the bonus might not be reliable even if it's comparable percentage-wise. Every company has different criteria they use to fund the bonus pool and it's unheard of for a potential employer to ever disclose that. Everyone at my current employer gets paid out of the same bonus pool as the CEO so I know we're getting paid :-)

Also, equity (at least in my case) plays a huge role. The last few years I've made as much or more in selling vested stock options as I did in salary.

So if someone were to ask me what my current salary is in a employment negotiation I would tell them that I don't think it's relevant and give them a few examples why. I would however, tell them what I thought I was worth and justify it by explaining what value I could bring AND-OR I would tell them what salary range I've already been offered elsewhere recently and ask if they were prepared to make an offer in that range. If they insisted my current salary, I pretty much know that's not the right place for me.

Re:New York City bans employers from asking potential worker... by louisswiss on Friday April 07, 2017 @11:11AM (#14060330)
I qualified my comment by stating that I agree with the parent as far as current salaries go, yet that in the general case of salary expectation discussions it is nevertheless a better strategy to state a number first. IMO it isn't clear from the parent that they believe it is a good idea to disclose any number first (whether expected or current salary).

BTW, if specifically asked 'what is your current salary?' I would typically respond with 'my ideal new salary is $X'

Re:New York City bans employers from asking potential worker... by vidarh on Friday April 07, 2017 @11:05AM (#14060283)
In this case the prior salary is used for anchoring purposes, by the expectation that the new salary should not be too much higher than the old salary.

They're basically using it as a means to sanity check and calibrate their own assessment.

Re:New York City bans employers from asking potential worker... by vkou on Friday April 07, 2017 @06:02PM (#14063825)
My first job paid me $25,000 CAD a year.

My next job paid me $90,000 CAD a year. (Investment bank)

My next job paid me $160,000 USD a year. (Google)

All numbers are all-in comp. All junior dev roles.

Should the bank, and Google have offered me $33,000 and $40,000, so that the new salary isn't too much higher then the old one? Would that satisfy your notion of fairness? When new grads hired by the latter are getting paid $150,000/year?

You are hired to do your new job, not the old one. What the old one paid has no relevance.

Re:New York City bans employers from asking potential worker... by vidarh on Monday April 10, 2017 @03:54AM (#14076771)
I did not defend the practice. I explained why they are asking. It has nothing to do with fairness, and everything to do with employers using it as a negotiating tactic.

In other words: If you don't know what you're worth, of course they won't give you what you're worth.

Re:New York City bans employers from asking potential worker... by product50 on Saturday April 08, 2017 @01:42AM (#14065513)
What if you are current job pays you $400k? In that doesn't it advantage you to talk about your current salary to set an anchor? Also, it helps you avoid jobs/positions who are way below that number.
Re:New York City bans employers from asking potential worker... by papabrown on Saturday April 08, 2017 @04:25AM (#14065948)
If your current job pays $400K they are either grossly overpaying or you are in a very narrow band of people in your field and you probably should not be taking too many interviews with people who do not already know what they should be prepared to pay.

People at $400K a year don't apply for a job, they're recruited. Any of the problems mentioned in this thread would likely not apply.

Re:New York City bans employers from asking potential worker... by vkou on Monday April 10, 2017 @02:18PM (#14081133)
Or you have the right pedigree, and are working like a horse for a NYC financial firm. Or you are a staff engineer at a SV megacorp.
Re:New York City bans employers from asking potential worker... by vkou on Monday April 10, 2017 @02:05PM (#14081039)
It does, and there is no law against telling your employer your salary expectations.
Re:New York City bans employers from asking potential worker... by sprafa on Friday April 07, 2017 @11:07AM (#14060297)
The thing you might leave a job because you really, really disagree with that assesment!
Re:New York City bans employers from asking potential worker... by rhizome on Friday April 07, 2017 @04:56PM (#14063449)
by the expectation that the new salary should not be too much higher than the old salary

From where does this expectation derive, and what makes it a good barometer of sanity? On the face it just sounds like the same rationale used for basing raises on percentage of an employee's initial salary. "3% over your last job" is not fair.

Re:New York City bans employers from asking potential worker... by vidarh on Monday April 10, 2017 @04:00AM (#14076782)
The expectation derives from peoples lack of knowledge of what they're worth. It has nothing to do with fairness - it's about what they think they can get away with offering.

Based on experience, almost nobody negotiates their offers, and if you see people talking about their job moves, people are often excited about, say, a 10% increase.

That's why employers expect to be able to get away with anchoring it to your current salary.