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Re:My phone was searched at LAX, which apparently is the new... by leereeves on Friday April 07, 2017 @09:56AM (#14059641)
> I'm not sure it's reasonable to stipulate that the surveillance we conduct actually deters ISIS.

I'd say its a reasonable assumption. ISIS's goal is to actually succeed, not to get caught by surveillance before an attack.

> We need to grow up.

And stop trying to prevent terrorism? That's not growing up. While the Brits were playing golf during the Blitz, they were also investing vast amounts of money and lives into shooting down German planes.

Re:My phone was searched at LAX, which apparently is the new... by tptacek on Friday April 07, 2017 @10:42AM (#14060046)
The comparison you're drawing is between the RAF and the harassment of Muslims in the US. Lord only knows what the other leg of your Manhattan Project metaphor would be!

later edit

In case this actually needs to be said: in the course of prosecuting a war against terrorism (itself a spectacularly bad idea, lending itself as it does to a perpetual state of war), we've invaded and more or less conquered Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya, and are in what any reasonable person would call a state of war with Syria and Yemen. You can look at a map of west Asia to see what that adds up to.

Re:My phone was searched at LAX, which apparently is the new... by leereeves on Friday April 07, 2017 @11:00AM (#14060237)
response to later edit

We haven't conquered Libya. In fact, the Obama administration pulled out and left the country in chaos and more vulnerable than ever to terrorism.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36013703

Re:My phone was searched at LAX, which apparently is the new... by tptacek on Friday April 07, 2017 @11:04AM (#14060274)
And Montgomery's Market Garden operation failed, too. What's your point?

Mine was simply that it's ridiculous to claim that the US has taken terrorism less seriously as a military objective than the UK took theirs.

Re:My phone was searched at LAX, which apparently is the new... by leereeves on Friday April 07, 2017 @11:08AM (#14060305)
> it's ridiculous to claim that the US has taken terrorism less seriously as a military objective than the UK took theirs

Then what was the point of saying that the Brits had rules for golf during the Blitz?

Re:My phone was searched at LAX, which apparently is the new... by tptacek on Friday April 07, 2017 @11:10AM (#14060320)
Obviously, that regardless of what our military might be doing, our societal and public policy responses to this threat have been comparatively juvenile.
Re:My phone was searched at LAX, which apparently is the new... by leereeves on Friday April 07, 2017 @11:18AM (#14060403)
I agree with you about one thing. The war on terror is a mistake (or a plan to make money). "Terror" can't be fought by the military.

Only "societal and public policy responses" can stop terrorism. What "mature" response are you suggesting?

Re:My phone was searched at LAX, which apparently is the new... by ch4s3 on Friday April 07, 2017 @12:12PM (#14060891)
Don't forget Somalia.
Re:My phone was searched at LAX, which apparently is the new... by leereeves on Friday April 07, 2017 @10:49AM (#14060114)
I'm not drawing a comparison to harassment of Muslims.

I've had similar experiences and I'm not a Muslim and CBP would have no reason to believe I was.

And I resent you trying to use claims of racism to derail a discussion about reasonable precautions.

Re:My phone was searched at LAX, which apparently is the new... by tptacek on Friday April 07, 2017 @10:51AM (#14060133)
I think you might resent the story, which is about "claims of racism", and not so much this comment thread.
Re:My phone was searched at LAX, which apparently is the new... by leereeves on Friday April 07, 2017 @10:57AM (#14060204)
I'm used to people using incidents taken out of context to justify claims of racism.

Sometimes, they don't even check the details, as when they pushed the story of an Olympian who was detained due to Trump's travel ban without realizing it happened under Obama.

Re:My phone was searched at LAX, which apparently is the new... by mhluongo on Friday April 07, 2017 @12:25PM (#14061070)
Not a great analogy. The threat of terrorism isn't on par with your country surviving constant air raids, and the benefit of shooting down a raiding plane is much more clear