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Re:Nuclear plant shutdowns tied to coal pollution, decreased... by rurban on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @06:23AM (#14041029)
Nuclear killed a lot of people already and will for the next thousands of generations. There is still no proper prospect of how to get rid of that poison. That's not comparable to any other technology. That's why nuclear energy needs to demolished and banned.
Re:Nuclear plant shutdowns tied to coal pollution, decreased... by systoll on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @08:09AM (#14041453)
Coal produces about 2/3rds as much nuclear waste per unit power. [1](http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/a/5077), [2](https://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/1997/fs163-97/FS-163-97.html).

We do little to even try to contain that waste, and aren't even thinking of how to 'get rid of it'. The effects of this radioactive waste are totally overshadowed by the 'conventional' pollution caused by coal.

Nuclear power compares pretty well to this.

Re:Nuclear plant shutdowns tied to coal pollution, decreased... by vidarh on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @07:34AM (#14041294)
We could take all the current nuclear waste, grind it up, and pump it into the atmosphere and there is still no reason to believe that it would lead to more than a blip in terms of mortality compared to coal.

In addition to the reductions in air quality that kills vast number of people from coal - multiple Chernobyls every year - coal plants also pump vast quantities of radioactive material like uranium particles into the air.

While nuclear waste would pump nastier stuff into the air, we know the consequences from Chernobyl: Most of it gets washed out and end up on the ground quickly. What doesn't tend to be less dangerous particulates like cesium isotopes.

I'm obviously not suggesting that we should, but that pretty much the worst possible scenarios you can think of would still end up killing fewer people than coal.

Re:Nuclear plant shutdowns tied to coal pollution, decreased... by kaybe on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @06:59AM (#14041168)
Right now I feel that nuclear waste would be easier to handle than run-away greenhouse effect. Of course renewable is by far the best energy option in conjuction with using less.

But all things considered I have given up hope that that will actually work in time - thus, by all means, we should build as-safe-as-possible nuclear power plants for the transition and shut down all fossil-based versions immediately.

Re:Nuclear plant shutdowns tied to coal pollution, decreased... by msvalkon on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @06:59AM (#14041169)
Sounds like a terribly biased argument. Why would it kill for _thousands_ of generations?
Re:Nuclear plant shutdowns tied to coal pollution, decreased... by Turing_Machine on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @09:26AM (#14041894)
It wouldn't. The OP has fallen victim to the "long half-life = bad" fallacy.

A long half-life means that the material is less radioactive. By definition.

Re:Nuclear plant shutdowns tied to coal pollution, decreased... by opo on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @02:02PM (#14044132)
Right now nuclear waste can and should be recycled which would reduce the amount of waste: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioactive_waste

Soon it will be possible to use most of the waste as fuel:

"...Fast reactors can "burn" long lasting nuclear transuranic waste (TRU) waste components (actinides: reactor-grade plutonium and minor actinides), turning liabilities into assets. Another major waste component, fission products (FP), would stabilize at a lower level of radioactivity than the original natural uranium ore it was attained from in two to four centuries, rather than tens of thousands of years"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integral_fast_reactor

The worry people have about nuclear waste is greatly overblown. The amounts generated are small and in a relatively short amount of time we can use most of this "waste" to generate electricity.

As a comparison, how does coal waste compare to that?

"Coal ash – the waste material left after coal is burned – contains arsenic, mercury, lead, and over a dozen other heavy metals, many of them toxic."

http://www.psr.org/environment-and-health/code-black/coal-as...

"The study found that levels of radioactivity in the ash were up to five times higher than in normal soil," https://phys.org/news/2015-09-radioactive-contaminants-coal-...

How much coal waste is produced per year? Is it small enough to deal with easily?

"According to the American Coal Ash Association's Coal Combustion Product Production & Use Survey Report, nearly 130 million tons of coal ash was generated in 2014."

https://www.epa.gov/coalash/coal-ash-basics#03

Has any of the general public been killed though coal waste disasters? Lots of times:

http://www.catawbariverkeeper.org/issues/coal-ash-1/coal-ash...

NASA has estimated that using nuclear power has saved an estimated 1.8 million lives that would have been lost if the power has been replaced by fossil fuels: https://climate.nasa.gov/news/903/coal-and-gas-are-far-more-...

(And yes, I know the people who oppose nuclear power usually will say they don't like coal and natural gas either, but we are going to need a predictable, reliable form of base load power for a long time. One of these three ways of generating electricity has much fewer health consequences than the other.)