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Re:Why I will not exercise my GitLab stock options by hkmurakami on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @08:15PM (#14038542)
That'll apply to the strike price as well as the current "valutation", so the multiple factor between the two valuations should be around the same regardless (a strike price of a non trivial number like $0.27 suggests that a 409a valuation was already in place to price the options)
Re:Why I will not exercise my GitLab stock options by pjschlic on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @09:09PM (#14038824)
The original 4.8M valuation (which is his strike price - extrapolating from his share price and ownership %) has now increased to ~40M (extrapolated from 20M raise, estimating ~100M preferred shares valuation and 40% of that for 409A valuation[1]). This means 4k outlay for initial stock, but they are now valued at ~33.2k, incurring some short term capital gains of ~5.6k. This still seems like a steal, as is the value dropped on that valuation of 33k I think it can be recognized as a loss to offset other earnings, so generally I don't think the tax is that bad a deal (if the person has the cash on hand).

[1] 41% is average ratio from here: https://www.capshare.com/blog/409a-valuation-guide/

Re:Why I will not exercise my GitLab stock options by pfarnsworth on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @11:34PM (#14039472)
I don't know what the OP's marginal tax rate was, but if he were a California resident, his taxes would be more around 15k.
Re:Why I will not exercise my GitLab stock options by hkmurakami on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @10:21PM (#14039143)
Thx for the analysis.

Fwiw capital loss can only be applied to offset capital gains, other than 3k/year.

Re:Why I will not exercise my GitLab stock options by syntheticcdo on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @10:59AM (#14042546)
Capital losses also carry forward for your entire life. Either 3k a year of offset ordinary income until you die, offset any future capital gains, or have written off your entire loss.
Re:Why I will not exercise my GitLab stock options by pfarnsworth on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @11:14PM (#14039386)
I actually have no idea what you're talking about.

0.27 strike price was the 409A valuation at the time that the options were issued. There is usually another 409A valuation after the funding round. But we don't know what that value is. You can speculate, but using the funding round as the amount is wrong.

Re:Why I will not exercise my GitLab stock options by hkmurakami on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @04:01AM (#14040515)
There's typically a lower bound of 1/10 the paper valuation, otherwise you risk the IRS coming after you at some future date. That relative lower bound ratio should be consistent across rounds, hence I'm approximating with a paper valuation ratio with a fudge factor of 2.
Re:Why I will not exercise my GitLab stock options by pfarnsworth on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @04:19PM (#14045255)
The company doesn't control the 409A valuation. That's done by an independent company who determines the 409A. So it's not something that is in the control of the company.
Re:Why I will not exercise my GitLab stock options by jdmichal on Thursday April 06, 2017 @08:46AM (#14049988)
Sure, just like a house appraiser is an independent entity who determines the value of the house... Except that they always take the contract price in mind and basically attempt to not rock the boat. If they can make a case for a valuation close to the contract price, that's what they'll use. If they go too high or low, they risk killing the deal -- and their continuing business with the involved parties. Same problem as with legal arbiters and binding arbitration contracts.
Re:Why I will not exercise my GitLab stock options by hkmurakami on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @05:34PM (#14045843)
You can't control them, but you can definitely "provide guidance" to the independent company as to what your desires are. They obviously won't give you something egregious but it's you who's paying them and will continue to pay them every year (a 409a valuation needs to be within 1 year to be valid for options). If a firm doesn't do something you like, you'll move onto the next one.