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Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by arjie on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @04:08AM (#14030494)
Which companies do the refund + keep-device if unsatisfied?
Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by jo909 on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @06:59AM (#14031311)
It's not about "Whatever, here is your money back, just keep the device we don't care, goodbye."

It's about acknowledging the customers frustration, hopefully lowering it by returning the money no questions asked, and ALSO keeping the door open to continue the conversation in the hope for a more positive outcome.

Maybe the customer angrily throws the device away and you never hear from him again. Okay then, everybody moves on.

But maybe he is less frustrated and is willing to have a productive discussion about his problem, provide you with more information and try some things.

Again this might lead nowhere. Ideally you either find that something completely out of your control was the fault, and the customer can admit that blaming you for it was unreasonable, or you find the fault and are able to fix it.

So you might end up with a customer that no longer blames you, or even better one that is now able to use and enjoy your product.

Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by lsaferite on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @08:38AM (#14031886)
I've worked with a small hardware manufacturer for consumer electronics a few years back and they literally trashed every return (at least in the US market).

They used to just let customers keep them until people apparently caught on and took advantage of the policy.

I know they trashed them as I was the only company resource in the US and they shipped them to my house to be destroyed. :/

Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by qume on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @06:06AM (#14031016)
Big difference between company policy (which will be abused) and good decision making by the company in individual cases.
Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by jakobegger on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @06:41AM (#14031208)
I got an offer for a refund + keep the device on a $7 electronic part that I posted a 3 star review on from a fulfillment-by-amazon seller.

I guess handling the return would cost more than the value of the item, and presumably they really don't want a 3 star review.

(I did not accept the offer, that would feel a bit dishonest)

Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by struppi on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @04:16AM (#14030530)
Amazon, occasionally, but not always.

Also happened to me at least twice with Spreadshirt (but they don't really sell devices). Once the product clearly had a defect (part of the print was coming off), once I ordered it just too small.

Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by jbverschoor on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @06:44AM (#14031236)
Every company selling products via the internet in the EU.
Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by jo909 on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @07:10AM (#14031366)
Definitive NO. I think you mean they have to offer free _return shipping_.

I only know the situation in Germany for that, and the law here is not even as straightforward as most customers expect, just the big online retailers are pretty relaxed with their return policies (because that is what the customers are expecting).

There is no situation where you could insist on keeping a defective product, and its also not commonly offered voluntarily.

Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by problems on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @12:21PM (#14034355)
I've had this experience with Monoprice and a few AliExpress sellers at least. "Oh, it doesn't work? Meh, all yours, have a good one" is a very good way to make customers come back.

It's ripe for abuse, so I'm sure companies have to be careful with it, but if it's low margin stuff it probably doesn't matter much anyways.

Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by PeterisP on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @02:01PM (#14035523)
Yes, they have to offer free return shipping and for many small items, receiving a to-be-refurbished item is almost worthless to the manufacturer, so it's both cheaper and simpler just to not ask for the item back.
Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by jo909 on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @05:54PM (#14037582)
Actually in Germany there is no longer a law that forces the retailer to cover the return shipping costs. They will have to refund your money no questions asked, including the shipping fee you paid, if you return the item in the first two weeks, but not the return shipping. But since for a few years there was such a law, it is very very commonly offered anyway.

And also you can in principle be asked to cover any loss of value if you damaged the product or used it in any way that was not "necessary for testing/evaluation".

So far I had to return every item I did not like or that arrived damaged. Especially for obviously damaged goods it makes no direct sense for them to ask for it back to trow it away on their end, but I really think at least a retailer like amazon does not just hand waive a decision like that and has some economic reasons.

Somewhat related, once I noticed a significant price drop the day after I had bought a product from amazon, and asked support if they could refund me the difference. They could not, but told me to just order another one for the lower price and refuse the delivery of the first order (which means the logistics company returns the item directly).

So clearly "cheaper and simpler" for a company like amazon is not always as straightforward as one might expect.