A world without retirement?

Re:A world without retirement? by pasquinelli on Sunday April 02, 2017 @08:36PM (#14019876)

"demographics are destiny", what is that? i believe i've heard it a few times recently. sounds like a new-fashioned "white is right", with the benefit of sounding like something intelligent to an imbecile. but if demographics is destiny, then it's good more brown people are moving into europe. twice in the last century, with so many white people on the subcontinent, europe dissolved into mass barbarism and pulled much of the world into it as well. if demographics are destiny then the migrants flowing in are a blessing. if demographics are destiny, which why the fuck someone should believe that, i don't know.

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Re:A world without retirement? by pjc50 on Monday April 03, 2017 @08:52AM (#14022373)

> so many white people on the subcontinent, europe dissolved into mass barbarism

Part of the Nazi ideology was the idea that Slavs were ethnically inferior and therefore the Nazis felt justified in trying to slaughter them and take their land. In just the same way that colonists had taken Africa, America and Australia. It's just fortunate for them that the Russians had tanks whereas the American Indians or Belgian Congolese etc didn't.

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Re:A world without retirement? by milesrout on Sunday April 02, 2017 @10:46PM (#14020284)

>twice in the last century, with so many white people on the subcontinent, europe dissolved into mass barbarism

And of course the people in the middle east have been so peaceful in the same time period.

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Re:A world without retirement? by pm90 on Monday April 03, 2017 @01:10AM (#14020718)

I don't agree with the parent's hypothesis that white people have some inherent instinct to start world wars when there are too many of them, but to answer you assertion: while there have been many many disasters in the middle east, they still don't come to the same scale as the destruction caused by the World Wars (and resulting Civil Wars and instability).

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Re:A world without retirement? by VLM on Monday April 03, 2017 @12:19PM (#14024089)

This has to be the weirdest thread I've seen on HN in some time. Ignoring all the race and world war stuff, look at Californication as applies to lifestyle in Oregon. I'm not making a moral or ethical argument merely an observation that demographically replacing the population of Oregon with California people, results in a "northern california" lifestyle in the state formerly known as Oregon. So if you think you're going to live in Oregon with an Oregon lifestyle and retirement package in 50 years, you are in for a big surprise when there is no Oregon anymore, merely "north california".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Californication_(word)

Given the observed rates of demographic change, it seems very foolish to expect the "gold pocketwatch and pension" of 1950s to continue in perpetuity in the UK or Europe in general. For example when Europe goes full on Islamic how does Sharia law work WRT legacy 1950s era western pensions.

You can't wipe out a population, replace with another demographic, and pretend magic dirt means nothing else will change. Look at the lifestyle in Jewish Ghettos in Poland and Germany before and after the Holocaust for an example. Or look at Manhattan island two hundred years before the euro colonists vs two hundred years after the euro colonists. Thats all I'm saying. Regardless of right or wrong we're waving goodbye to what was Europe and it seems extremely foolish to assume legacy euro retirement programs will exist in the future due to magic dirt.

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Re:A world without retirement? by germinalphrase on Monday April 03, 2017 @03:45PM (#14026405)

It's the "wipe out a population" thing that I'm getting hung up on. Certainly, state pensions are increasingly problematic, but your assertion of cultural extinction is jarring - very 'Camp of the Saints'.

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