You're honestly expecting an aluminum can the be intact after it smashes into a reenforced building at a few hundred miles per hour?

The plane is there, this group of pictures includes pictures of it. There just isn't much left.

Why would they release that video? What would they have to gain other than giving away the locations of their security cameras?

Why would you expect crystal clear videos of it happening?

https://nokiamuseum.info/category/launching-year/2001/

There is an example of the types of phones around in 2001. So we're not going to have third party video. We're going to have shitty thirdparty security cameras(which we received footage from) or the pentagons own security cameras which they aren't going to release the footage from.

You're also ignoring all the eye witnesses.

The OP was also ignoring what happens to aircraft traveling at high velocities and colliding with reinforced structures. Something like the F-4 test in 1988 is illustrative of what can happen [1] (note: only the wingtips survived, and only because they never impacted the target).

Of course, the immediate rebuttal usually offered by conspiracists is to suggest that the Pentagon was not a block of concrete, which is true, but it is still a reinforced structure with a stone façade. The design limited the travel of the 757 toward the interior rings of the building (though it still penetrated) but it was far less destructive being as 1) the 757 is a smaller aircraft than a 767 and 2) the reinforced structure of the Pentagon prohibited a substantial portion of the damage.

I'm still not sure why there are individuals who believe this to be some ridiculous conspiracy, because they're clearly retroactively applying our technological and cultural circumstances today to the attacks in 2001--completely ignoring evidence such as what you've presented of the phones available in that era. Not to mention that if the Pentagon was indeed "chock full of cameras" in 2001, they were likely monitoring exits, hallways, etc., and probably wouldn't show anything interesting: One moment, power and lights are on; next moment, everything is dark or the feed is off. A bit useless!

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RV_baW5OERY

We need to leave the middle east immediately. It's another vietnam. It doesn't matter whether it was a false flag or not. What matters is what actions they used it to justify. That said so many things don't add up--and no, evidence doesn't add up on either side of the 911 issue--leaves no reason to trust the American government. If you do, you must need something to follow. Or you just can't believe the american government would do any wrong and lie to us.. Do you believe Russia's hacked the DNC? did you read the report they produced. There is absolutely no proof, yet US Intelligence can tell the media it happened and we all believe it. The same is true with basically everything. It's news produced by US Intelligence and the powers that be with no real evidence and you believe it. I read the report by the DNI on the Russian hacking. It covered only possible intent based on news they posted to social media and RT.com.

So yea my friend, all you doubters trust the US Government too much. 911 might not have been a false flag, what matters is what we have done since and what we continue to do. Now we're supposed to believe we have to stay in the middle east because we have to clean up our mess. More lies. They dont want us there. Americans wouldn't want us there if we weren't brainwashed by the fake threat of terrorism on the daily. We have killed hundreds of thousands in the middle east and less than 3k died in 911 and less than that in the 16 years since then in both the US and Europe. For something so big as attacking the entire Middle East for 16 years against everyone's will, I have no choice but to believe there is elite forces at work.

Anyway, the evidence of bits and bytes of wreckage matters not. It's all just too messy and not definitive enough to believe.

> So yea my friend, all you doubters trust the US Government too much.

Err? I'm a conservative with libertarian leanings. Of all the things you can complain about regarding the US government and our idiotic foreign policy decisions (most of which I agree with you regarding), the September 11th "conspiracy" is one of the more absurd. It is indisputable that aircraft impacted numerous buildings that day. It is my belief that anyone who posits otherwise is living in a world of fantasy.

Don't be so hasty to make assumptions.

> It's news produced by US Intelligence and the powers that be with no real evidence and you believe it.

Not sure where this came from as this thread is a discussion about September 11th.

You're referring to the DNI report. And yes, I read it: There's nothing in the report of interest, only speculation. So no, I don't believe the Russian narrative.

Wow, my heuristic of post value being inversely proportional to length is holding really well.

I chuckled, but when it's threads involving touchy subjects that lend themselves to attracting conspiracists, it's usually true.

You tell others they are easily led while believing every youtube video and half baked conspiracy website you read. You're not some brave free thinker you're just someone that believes youtube videos.

Half baked conspiracy theory? You probably would have said that the CIA and NSA having the ability to listen in through cellphones, TVs, tablets, and computers was a conspiracy theory as well. WikiLeaks just proved otherwise and your response to this is? The same as it is for the 9/11 attacks... you back up what you don't know because its easier to do than face the alternative.

I've known it possible for people to easily listen in through computers since BO was released in 98. Why do you think I would expect it to be unlikely that the leading spy and security organizations in the world have the capability almost 20 years later?

I disagree. I think believing that some secret powers are causing all this bad shit is a lot easier for people to stomach than to just accept that the world is a big random and scary place.

It was strewn about in tiny pieces after it hit the ground at 600MPH.

Thoroughly mixed with the debris.