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Re:Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered by notspanishflu on Thursday March 30, 2017 @07:11AM (#13994390)
I'm using Telegram as my main messaging system but I hope they'll open source everything. That's the only way to fully audit the service.

Telegram is not too bad but has too many grey areas at this moment.

Re:Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered by 16 on Thursday March 30, 2017 @08:52AM (#13994890)
Telegram has been around for three years now. I wouldn't hold my breath for open source servers/ability to run your own. That's not their business model.
Re:Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered by briandear on Thursday March 30, 2017 @10:41AM (#13995732)
What IS their business model?
Re:Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered by _jomo on Thursday March 30, 2017 @08:58AM (#13994927)
I think at this point it's quite clear they are not ever going to do that. They actually stopped publishing their client source code and they aren't responding to any questions about that.
Re:Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered by surye on Thursday March 30, 2017 @01:50PM (#13997430)
https://twitter.com/durov/status/847454485882355713

> Definitely, updated source codes will be online later today.

And the Desktop client[1] is kept very up to date. My biggest complaint is that they have stopped updating the API documentation [2] which has lead me to become a rather lukewarm telegram developer (though I still have a few projects I am work with)

[1] https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop [2] https://core.telegram.org/#updates-log

Re:Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered by maxerickson on Thursday March 30, 2017 @08:07AM (#13994641)
How do you ensure that the code you have access to is the code running on their servers? Having access to some source doesn't help with that.

Unless you strictly use end to end, only after having verified the keys, you are trusting the server quite a lot.

Re:Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered by notspanishflu on Thursday March 30, 2017 @08:44AM (#13994835)
Of course. That's part of the grey areas I mentioned.
Re:Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered by maxerickson on Thursday March 30, 2017 @08:46AM (#13994848)
My question is how a source audit addresses the server trust issue...
Re:Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered by mercer on Thursday March 30, 2017 @12:53PM (#13996994)
It doesn't? Or at least I can't see how it would.
Re:Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered by snvzz on Thursday March 30, 2017 @09:37AM (#13995192)
>I'm using Telegram as my main messaging system but I hope they'll open source everything.

A bit too late, now that you're using as your main system.

Re:Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered by notspanishflu on Thursday March 30, 2017 @01:56PM (#13997464)
I'm using an Ubuntu Phone and Telegram is the only native messaging service app in it.

I'm using UP for a beta-testing purpose so no big deal.

Re:Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered by CaptSpify on Thursday March 30, 2017 @03:17PM (#13998093)
Really? I just get a white screen on mine. I see from reviews that others have the same problem.

I've never looked into logs though, so a fix might be obvious

Re:Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered by notspanishflu on Thursday March 30, 2017 @04:43PM (#13998692)
Really. I got 99 ubuntu bugs but Telegram ain't one.

Once in a while I got a blank screen opening Telegram, but closing it and open it again solves the problem.

Are you running OTA-15?

Re:Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered by CaptSpify on Thursday March 30, 2017 @06:49PM (#13999611)
Yup, OTA-15. I've restarted it a few times, and it just gives me a white screen.
Re:Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered by notspanishflu on Thursday March 30, 2017 @07:10PM (#13999740)
First check you're running the last Telegram version, that's 2.3.36.2

Second, have you tried to delete the cache (.cache/com.ubuntu.telegram)? That will erase your secret chats too, so you can make a copy before deleting it.

Re:Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered by CaptSpify on Thursday March 30, 2017 @07:28PM (#13999866)
Yup, latest version. I tried clearing the cache and no change. Since I was in console, I just checked syslog and I'm getting a dbus DENIED. I'll poke at it when I have more time, but I wonder if they need to fix up their apparmor perms.

Curious as to why your getting a different result though.

EDIT: I'd also be curious as to your opinion of Touch in general?

My opinion: I love it. I'm not a huge fan of Unity, or Ubuntu, and it's definitely in the beta stage. I like that most of the problems that I have were solvable on my own via shell-script or whatever hacks I come up with.

Re:Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered by notspanishflu on Friday March 31, 2017 @04:22AM (#14001985)
Oh sh*t I'm just remembering now a problem some people had with lock files. I thought it was fixed [0].

In that thread someone said deleting .config/com.ubuntu.telegram/<number>/auth.lock solved the problem with Telegram not starting [1].

So look for .lock file/s and delete it/them.

I still love Debian way more than Ubuntu, but I think they're doing a great work with Touch.

[0] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-...

[1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-...

Re:Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered by CaptSpify on Saturday April 01, 2017 @06:54PM (#14014620)
Hmmm.... I don't have any lock files. I'll dig into it when I get more time. thanks
Re:Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered by Derbasti on Thursday March 30, 2017 @08:44AM (#13994834)
Client and protocol are open source. What more do you need?
Re:Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered by _jomo on Thursday March 30, 2017 @09:00AM (#13994940)
They have stopped publishing the source code for their clients.
Re:Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered by RubyPinch on Thursday March 30, 2017 @01:27PM (#13997232)
They have?

https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop seems fairly up to date?

Re:Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered by r3bl on Thursday March 30, 2017 @04:46PM (#13998726)
Latest commit on the Android version was six months ago: https://github.com/DrKLO/Telegram

And yes, that's the official location of the Android app, linked here: https://telegram.org/apps

Re:Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered by RubyPinch on Friday March 31, 2017 @03:29AM (#14001807)
it seems they are watching, they've uploaded the newer version
Re:Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered by notspanishflu on Thursday March 30, 2017 @08:46AM (#13994843)
Reproducible builds, and deploying my own server.
Re:Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered by lucb1e on Thursday March 30, 2017 @09:39AM (#13995204)
And a believable business model would be cool.