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Re:UK triggers the official Brexit process in a letter to EU by vidarh on Thursday March 30, 2017 @05:13AM (#13993937)
> If you can't take the people of a democracy with you on a project, perhaps it's best not to try and build such a thing anyway, and then end up with a hack?

The people have consistently voted for parties that wanted at least this level of integration. The problem has been that people disagree about how far to go, not that there has not been support for tighter integration.

Often to get from one local maxima to a higher local maxima you end up with options in between that are worse in various ways. Doesn't mean there aren't people who prefer to get there even if they're unable to get enough support to go further.

> On the rest - I would come to a similar state but from a different direction full autonomy for small democratic units, who voluntarily delegate some authority rather than get granted powers from "above"

That's how we got the EU.

Re:UK triggers the official Brexit process in a letter to EU by Nursie on Thursday March 30, 2017 @06:30AM (#13994224)
I would argue that the delegation of powers and the dynamic of the power relationshio have been quite wrong in the case of the EU.

I agree, the people have voted for parties that had these policies. The problem is, people vote for the same two (occasionally three or four) parties regardless, and then expect them to change. Somewhat silly!