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Re:VPNs Are Absolutely a Solution to a Policy Problem by wavefunction on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @12:26PM (#13987831)
The only thing is, I shouldn't have to pay for a VPN to continue enjoying some measure of privacy when I'm paying for the ISP's service. This is just some MBA's "great idea" to "leverage previously untapped revenue sources" rather than a real need by struggling firms grasping at any life-line.

It's disgusting, and I'm disgusted (_yet again_) by the mercenary Republican Party. They are declaring war on me and my loved ones and the vast majority of our fellow Americans and anyone else unfortunate to have to use an internet connection in the US (and live under the rest of their insane policies).

For the record, I signed up for a personal VPN two weeks ago because this anti-consumer outcome was assured with the current party in power in the US.

Re:VPNs Are Absolutely a Solution to a Policy Problem by gricardo99 on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @12:31PM (#13987904)
Just curious, what VPN provider did you go with? Are you happy with it so far? Any helpful links that compare/review VPN services?
Re:VPNs Are Absolutely a Solution to a Policy Problem by wavefunction on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @06:16PM (#13991131)
I went with Private Internet Access[0]

I found this comparison matrix[1] which provided me the info I needed to identify a few services to compare. I'm really just looking to keep my ISP from snooping on my traffic, so my criteria are pretty limited and I just wanted something quick. I don't plan to watch Netflix with it for example, which might have pushed me to a service that would allow me to select specific servers for traffic egress.

I have no complaints

[0]https://www.privateinternetaccess.com

Re:VPNs Are Absolutely a Solution to a Policy Problem by lolsal on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @07:11PM (#13991472)
I think you forgot to provide your reference for [1].
Re:VPNs Are Absolutely a Solution to a Policy Problem by lightbyte on Thursday March 30, 2017 @09:31AM (#13995137)
I also went with Private Internet Access, but I'm not sure what you mean by

>I don't plan to watch Netflix with it for example, which might have pushed me to a service that would allow me to select specific servers for traffic egress.

PIA has servers in many different countries that you could switch to, does that not that fulfill this?

Re:VPNs Are Absolutely a Solution to a Policy Problem by msh on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @12:41PM (#13988023)
I am very happy with f secure freedome. Good speeds (mostly able to give me at least 30-40 megabit) and reputable company that provides decent support. I have been a customer for a few years.
Re:VPNs Are Absolutely a Solution to a Policy Problem by wonder_er on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @12:48PM (#13988103)
it's not a republican/democratic split. Both parties are working together to screw over you and your loved ones.

Its a "has power" vs "doesn't have power" split.

The Democrats are just as culpable as Republicans. Don't give either party a pass.

Re:VPNs Are Absolutely a Solution to a Policy Problem by jish on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @03:16PM (#13989625)
> "it's not a republican/democratic split."

The vote count sure looked like it to me.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/115-2017/h202#admin_p...

Yea 215 (Republican 215, Democrat 0) Nay 205 (Republican 15, Democrat 190)

Re:VPNs Are Absolutely a Solution to a Policy Problem by pdeuchler on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @06:44PM (#13991309)
Telecoms give about 6% more to Democrats than Republicans[0] (and more than 20% more in 2010, in fact they've received just as much funding or more than republicans ever since Obama was elected). Voting against this bill because of some personal stand seems like a weird time to suddenly find a moral compass. The Democrats didn't vote yes because they didn't have to, so they get a chance to grandstand and rack up brownie points with their base while their bosses still get what they want. It's a win/win for everyone!

On actually contentious issues, like CISPA and the like, the votes split almost exactly down donation lines as opposed to party lines.

Regardless, even if the split is supposedly true what do you think is the real problem? The current republican gang or the influence and power the rich wield? Even if you replaced every single politician you hated with the wave of a magic wand the powers that be would still find ways to influence the new group.

We should tackle the systemic problems first as a whole nation, then hopefully the issue of removing those that wish themselves our master will be much easier.

[0] https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/totals.php?cycle=2016...

Re:VPNs Are Absolutely a Solution to a Policy Problem by arca_vorago on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @03:49PM (#13989909)
Yet people will cry "whataboutism" while ignoring the fact that just because no D's voted for this, it's just one of many pendulums in which they both take fucking turns doing the same thing. On that next peice of legislation, all D's vote yay and no R's, so it's obviously the D's fault!

Congress is completely corrupt. They don't write legislation, k-street does. They don't read legislation they pass. When confronted, they waffle about benefits to corporations being beneficial to their constituents. Almost all are in violation of their oath.

After much deliberation I think reprent.us has it right, the only way for us to take of this issue is for a new rallying cry to elect third-parties and indepedents to take away the majorities of both parties. (which is also how we get an independent or third-party elected president by taking the 270 votes away from both parties and the vote goes to the house).

We need to stop letting people push the farcicle duverger's law as if it's irrefutable fact, because it's not.

Re:VPNs Are Absolutely a Solution to a Policy Problem by matt_kantor on Thursday March 30, 2017 @02:43PM (#13997848)
I think you meant https://represent.us.
Re:VPNs Are Absolutely a Solution to a Policy Problem by st3v3r on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @07:43PM (#13991662)
It is fact. Feel free to disprove it if you can.
Re:VPNs Are Absolutely a Solution to a Policy Problem by mejari on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @03:31PM (#13989772)
Not a single Democrat voted for the bill. The Democrats certainly have their own problems, but this "both sides are the same" shtick is really getting old when they very clearly aren't.
Re:VPNs Are Absolutely a Solution to a Policy Problem by wonder_er on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @04:37PM (#13990344)
You're right, both parties are different.

But combined, their views represent only a narrow slice of the political spectrum.

Both parties have their own flavor of expanding the powers of the government, while no one in office is advocating reduction of government power.

Sure, the republicans occasionally give lip service to the idea, but they're all the same as the dems.

I guess I'm a bit fed up being told "pick a party that represents you" and finding absolutely zero options who don't make me feel dirty or stupid.

I maintain that both parties are the same, neither is capable of delivering real change. (A perfect example is the last US presidential election. Trump and Hillary? FFS.)

Re:VPNs Are Absolutely a Solution to a Policy Problem by mejari on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @07:56PM (#13991733)
>Both parties have their own flavor of expanding the powers of the government, while no one in office is advocating reduction of government power.

Not everyone is interested in across-the-board reduction of government power. I understand it appears to be your view, but you need to be careful to treat that as another political position, not as a global constant.

>I maintain that both parties are the same, neither is capable of delivering real change

I think it's a naive fallacy to have the base goal being some nebulous thing called "real change". When things like Obamacare and gay marriage and raising the minimum wage and protecting the environment, like Obama did and Clinton would have worked for, can't be called "real change" because they aren't the perfect solution some liberals/libertarians would want belies a privilege in not being a member of the classes that these things really affect, which coincidentally are not classes often represented well in the tech industry or on tech boards like this one.

Re:VPNs Are Absolutely a Solution to a Policy Problem by wonder_er on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @09:33PM (#13992182)
You're completely right on both points.

I am too quick to elevate my political _opinion_ to that of fact, and in doing so, commit the exact same mistake that drives me bonkers when other people do it.

Also, my own use of "real change", as soon as I read your comment, made me hang my head in shame. "Real Change(TM)" is just a stand in for "something that I think should be done, and until it's done, nothing else matters!"

It's related, I suspect, to the "no true scotsman" fallacy.

So, you're right. I worded that entire comment poorly.

This is one of the reasons I enjoy dipping into the HN comments now and again - I sometimes get really high-value feedback like this.

So thank you, /u/mejari, for taking the time to comment what you did. It's a good gift. :)

Re:VPNs Are Absolutely a Solution to a Policy Problem by jMyles on Thursday March 30, 2017 @10:27AM (#13995605)
> Not everyone is interested in across-the-board reduction of government power. I understand it appears to be your view, but you need to be careful to treat that as another political position, not as a global constant.

It kinda depends on what you mean by "across-the-board reduction of government power." I do believe that everyone is interested in peace. And justice. And creativity. And hope. And being able to relax and do what they want.

And even if government isn't in opposition to these things in every case, empire certainly is. And people recognize that.

So yes, deprecating the American Empire is something that enjoys very broad support; certain aspects enjoy consensus.

Re:VPNs Are Absolutely a Solution to a Policy Problem by alchemism on Thursday March 30, 2017 @03:58PM (#13998406)
> deprecating the American Empire is something that enjoys very broad support

While 'No Empire' seems to be a Good Thing, in general, if the question was instead, "Which country should lead the global Empire if not America?" I wonder what the survey results would be.

Re:VPNs Are Absolutely a Solution to a Policy Problem by FabHK on Thursday March 30, 2017 @11:58AM (#13996508)
> ...both parties are different. But combined, their views represent only a narrow slice of the political spectrum.

That is (by way of the Median Voter Theorem) a consequence of the two-party system, which is (by way of Duverger's law) a consequence of winner-takes-all or first-past-the-post (and not proportional) voting, I'd say.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_voter_theorem

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-party_system

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting

Re:VPNs Are Absolutely a Solution to a Policy Problem by eduren on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @12:58PM (#13988243)
>The Democrats are just as culpable as Republicans

A Democratic president put these protections in place.

Re:VPNs Are Absolutely a Solution to a Policy Problem by wonder_er on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @01:03PM (#13988309)
Ah, yes, president obama, advocate of the privacy rights of individuals world-wide.

He expanded the powers of the NSA because he could, or had to, or whatever. I struggle to imagine that he then turned around and used the FCC to push meaningful reform along for his citizens.

I think the burden of proof is on you to show that his track record with government spying should be ignored when thinking about his track record with FCC/consumer protections.

Re:VPNs Are Absolutely a Solution to a Policy Problem by yuhong on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @02:47PM (#13989339)
I think the more important person here is Tom Wheeler, who led the FCC during the period.
Re:VPNs Are Absolutely a Solution to a Policy Problem by funkymike on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @06:46PM (#13991329)
Both of those are consistent in one respect, that they both expand executive power. A group with power consistently seeks to increase that power. The FCC wants power, the NSA wants power.
Re:VPNs Are Absolutely a Solution to a Policy Problem by lcfcjs on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @04:16PM (#13990157)
This isn't about expansion of the NSA, it's about this bill in particular.
Re:VPNs Are Absolutely a Solution to a Policy Problem by pkulak on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @04:08PM (#13990087)
Really? Because every Republican voted for this and every Dem voted against. I get so sick of the false equivalency BS people spout off to sound smart and edgy.
Re:VPNs Are Absolutely a Solution to a Policy Problem by wonder_er on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @04:22PM (#13990211)
And yet when an opportunity for real change happens, both parties dig in and fight back.

It is in their interests for us to think there is meaningful difference between them, and I'm confident that many dems and republicans do earnestly believe there are differences between them and the other party.

But the differences are _so small_.

If one party wants to pass legislation that does X, and the other wants legislation that does Y, there is _no one_ advocating for all the myriad unspoken options.

My wife used to be a kindergarten teacher. One of her classroom management strategies was to try to give her students options. She'd say "would you like to do X or Y right now?"

Of course, she only gave options that she already approved.

So, for the "powers that be", the real power is deciding what bills go up for a vote. What happens in the actual vote is trivial compared to the power that comes with killing a bill before it hits the floor, or passing other legislation in omnibus spending bills.

I maintain that they work together to screw us all over for their own benefit, and to keep the corporate spigot flowing.

Re:VPNs Are Absolutely a Solution to a Policy Problem by st3v3r on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @07:43PM (#13991667)
Wrong. This argument is intellectually lazy, and serves only to let you feel smugly superior to others. I suggest that such comments be flagged in the future.
Re:VPNs Are Absolutely a Solution to a Policy Problem by newsat13 on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @12:37PM (#13987975)
> It's disgusting, and I'm disgusted (_yet again_) by the mercenary Republican Party

Stop this BS. The democratic party has done pretty much similar bad things that violate our privacy. Are you just good at selectively ignoring things? This is really the fact that every US govt is not for personal data privacy. You have to just accept it (if you are an american).

Re:VPNs Are Absolutely a Solution to a Policy Problem by awinder on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @12:44PM (#13988061)
On this specific issue, it was the Obama FCC that made sure that ISPs couldn't sell this data, and it's the republican congress & president that rolled it back. So it's a pretty fair issue to point this difference out with.

It's also a good concrete issue to use in understanding that while arguments like "Democrats Do Bad Stuff Too So IDK Apathy" may be persuasive to some people in justifying not voting, it's ultimately not true. If this issue matters to you, there was a ballot box solution to preventing it. Not enough people used it.

Re:VPNs Are Absolutely a Solution to a Policy Problem by eduren on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @12:52PM (#13988165)
While I'm usually all for bashing both sides, does it really apply in this case? The bill in question repeals rules set out by the FCC under the Obama administration. Those rules were a proactive measure that increased privacy from ISP monopoly overreach.

If this recent attack on privacy is something both sides support (as you seem to claim), why did the Obama administration set out those rules? And why did the Democrats in Congress not vote for this repeal?

Re:VPNs Are Absolutely a Solution to a Policy Problem by masonic on Thursday March 30, 2017 @04:47AM (#13993833)

  Those rules were a proactive measure
Were? Obama's rules affected by this legislation wouldn't have taken effect until next December at the earliest. It was an Obama administration screwup that opened this privacy hole in 2015, and it's been there ever since. Why is the outrage only popping up now? The ISPs have almost 2 years' worth of data already.
Re:VPNs Are Absolutely a Solution to a Policy Problem by zyxzkz on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @12:54PM (#13988183)
No, you're absolutely wrong. Look at the vote.

Don't bring that weak Whataboutism here.

Re:VPNs Are Absolutely a Solution to a Policy Problem by eduren on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @01:01PM (#13988282)
Exactly! While both parties do bad things and are undermining this country, it helps nobody to blame both parties for something specific that one party is doing without the support of the other. The vote was along party lines and in this case, one is right and one is wrong.
Re:VPNs Are Absolutely a Solution to a Policy Problem by dkhenry on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @12:42PM (#13988031)
Why not? for every other service you use online this measure of privacy doesn't exist and no one seemed to care about it. When services came along that advertised a measure of privacy they were not inundated with business turning them into titans of industry.

If when given the option you don't use services that keep your data private, why is this a big deal to you when yet another service you use sells your data? If you want privacy you either need to shop for services that provider it, or like this article states, take measure to ensure some level of privacy.