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Re:Vivaldi browser v1.8 released, with calendar-style browsi... by lucideer on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @05:41AM (#13984613)
The most striking thing about Vivaldi's decision to remain closed-source is its provenance. Granted, von Tetzchner does have a history of working with closed-source software, but one would think after the loss of Presto (excepting that one brief leak[1]), that any ex-Opera heads would understand the potential value of open source and community contribution.

As someone who put a lot into the old pre-12 Opera community, I will never use a closed-source browser again. This is not a commentary on quality - Opera was hands down the best browser ever built, despite being closed-source - but rather on commitment. If Vivaldi fails, all of its users will be left out in the cold. Again.

Admittedly, it is not quite so bad a situation as Opera 12. Vivaldi is mostly/largely open source[2]. It still seems like a massive missed opportunity though.

[1] https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/master/2017/2017-01-12-P...

[2] https://vivaldi.net/userblogs/entry/a-few-words-about-open-s...

Re:Vivaldi browser v1.8 released, with calendar-style browsi... by jug on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @06:30AM (#13984824)
Yes, this is a bit concerning as Vivaldi development was last I heard self funded by Jon von Tetzchner (http://www.wionews.com/science-tech/wionspecial-ceo-explains...). He claims it's otherwise meant to get funds from search engine and bookmark bundle deals. Sounds like a fragile base to build on in a niche browser aimed for power users, who tend to be unusually quick at removing/reverting exactly such features?

Isn't the way out of this via open source and community efforts essentially why Firefox has been successful despite not being OS bundled or backed by a huge search engine company like Google?

Re:Vivaldi browser v1.8 released, with calendar-style browsi... by Touche on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @09:58AM (#13986228)
No, Firefox is successful because it's lineage from Netscape, and then subsequently releasing its browser during a time when the only competition was terrible. If Firefox had started today it would have the same problems as Vivaldi.

Firefox definitely does benefit from community contributions (a lot), but the vast majority of the important code is written by paid employees.

Re:Vivaldi browser v1.8 released, with calendar-style browsi... by parenthephobia on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @01:25PM (#13988547)
It seems to me that you're conflating "open source" with "developed for free".

I don't think GP has any issues with Vivaldi being developed by paid developers per se, but if Vivaldi Technologies decides to stop development there is no guarantee that anyone else will be able to take over development. Firefox wouldn't have that issue if it started today.

Re:Vivaldi browser v1.8 released, with calendar-style browsi... by Touche on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @01:41PM (#13988734)
I'm not conflating anything.

I don't disagree that it would be better if Vivaldi were open source. I just don't think that reason is all that compelling to Vivaldi the company. Who thinks about "what happens when my company folds"? There are other advantages to being open source than just that.

Re:Vivaldi browser v1.8 released, with calendar-style browsi... by lucideer on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @06:33PM (#13991247)
I think, in this case, it would seem the company founder(s?) might be likely to care, given their apparent reasons for starting the company. Jon left Opera when it started to go south in terms of serving it's existing user-base, and very clearly started Vivaldi explicitly to serve that orphaned user-base. It does seem like he would/should care if history repeats itself with Vivaldi the company.