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Re:The House just voted to wipe out the FCC’s landmark Inter... by vidarh on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @11:31PM (#13983146)
What you call corruption, others call evolution. The fact of the matter is that there is no authority defining English. As a result, there is no way of objecctively deterimining if something is plain wrong. The best we can do is going by usage. You can try to influence usage, certainly, but some of those battles are simply not winnable.

Note that the prominent English dictionaries have usage panels that make judgements about whether the usage of a certain form of a word is sufficiently wide as their criteria for inclusion.

It's not that it is not ok to identify something as wrong, but you will need to accept that people will disagree with it, and that what is wrong to you now may very well have enough support in usage that the battle is already lost. When you then opt for comparisons to Trump, then it is not surprising that you get downvotes.

A lot of the "I'll say it however I please" is down to usage. I'll drag out my favourite example: "begs the question". It's my favourite because I didn't even know about the original meaning until I started seeing rants about how horrible the new meaning was. Do a search for it today, and the results are dominated by sites complaining about how awful the change is, and articles about it.

To date, I can recall only one instance where I've seen the original meaning used outside of such a rant. It's basically a lost battle, where people will often respond along the lines of "I'll say it however I please" for the simple reason that to most people the original meaning is entirely foreign because of its niche usage.

Usage panels, which often lags trends like this, for good reason, have in recent years started tipping towards the new usage for "begs the question", often marking the original form as "formal", because ultimately language is about communication, and you can not communicate effectively if you pretend the most common form doesn't exist. Here [1] is an article at Merriam Webster discussing the issue.

[1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/beg-the-questi...

Re:The House just voted to wipe out the FCC’s landmark Inter... by defined on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @12:08AM (#13983319)
Yeah, look, I'm aware of language evolution (or devolution, as it may be), and that there's no formal authority for the language. I mean, there are already at least two major dialects of English (British and American), and there's enough of a difference between the two to cause problems for the unwary.

What I'm railing against is more that there appears to be little interest, in general, even to try to get things right. I see this not just in human language, but in business, software development, publishing, pretty much everywhere.

I'm really tired, so I'm not expressing myself as well as I should, so perhaps I should just wrap this up and get some sleep. An iPad is also not the best UI for writing on HN.

Thanks for your thoughtful and thought-provoking response.

Re:The House just voted to wipe out the FCC’s landmark Inter... by aidenn0 on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @12:12AM (#13983336)
> What I'm railing against is more that there appears to be little interest, in general, even to try to get things right.

Language is a means to an end. If my entire audience understands what I am saying, and is not put-off by how I say it, then I did, in fact, get things right.

Re:The House just voted to wipe out the FCC’s landmark Inter... by Angostura on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @05:29AM (#13984573)
Language is a set of tools. In the same way it can be annoying to watch someone hammer in a nail with the end of a wrench, it can be annoying to watch someone sort through their linguistic toolset, ignore the finely-honed implement meant for the job and grab another.
Re:The House just voted to wipe out the FCC’s landmark Inter... by tremon on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @05:09AM (#13984506)
But when you're writing something down (especially for publication), you can not know your entire audience. Not using reasonable care in your written language communicates exactly that: that you care not for your audience.
Re:The House just voted to wipe out the FCC’s landmark Inter... by vidarh on Thursday March 30, 2017 @05:25AM (#13993977)
Or that you care for a specific audience. I, for one, do not care about any audience members who get up in arms if I use "begs the question" in the sense of "raises the question", for example. The use has become so common, that I expect anyone who finds that offensive will not be worth the trouble for me to try to cater to.

You need to draw a line somewhere, or you will end up spending your life obsessing over unimportant details of what you write instead of actually communicating.

Re:The House just voted to wipe out the FCC’s landmark Inter... by defined on Thursday March 30, 2017 @05:38PM (#13999106)
If your omission of what you assume is "unimportant detail" leads to your audience misunderstanding the "important" detail, you actually are failing to communicate.

It may also happen that the one person who you felt was not "worth the trouble" turns out to be someone who will be very important to you one day, like a potential business partner or investor, and who interprets your misuse of language as ignorance.

There's a difference between obsessing over unimportant detail and being thorough, IMHO.

Re:The House just voted to wipe out the FCC’s landmark Inter... by thaumaturgy on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @03:23AM (#13984111)
Well your right their.
Re:The House just voted to wipe out the FCC’s landmark Inter... by NoahTheDuke on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @09:09AM (#13985780)
You think you're being cute, but if spoken aloud, there is no difference. It's only for historical reasons that homophones have different spellings.
Re:The House just voted to wipe out the FCC’s landmark Inter... by adrianN on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @07:06AM (#13984957)
If someone posts a link to correct you, there is at least one person put off by your language.
Re:The House just voted to wipe out the FCC’s landmark Inter... by aidenn0 on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @01:23PM (#13988526)
Oh absolutely; the ethos of one's argument could be greatly damaged with something like:

OMG u shuld see wat they do in germanny its so different their!

But at some point you do start to get diminishing returns, so there are practical limits to how worried one should be about pedants.