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Re:I’m Not “Black Enough” for Inc. Magazine by neveroffensive on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @05:39PM (#13980958)
Seems like society works like a pendulum.

People spend decades fighting discrimination based on race. But, in the end, their focus on race makes it a defining characteristic.

We try and fix one imbalance, and end up just shifting it around. Still I guess we're better off today than in the 1960's.

Re:I’m Not “Black Enough” for Inc. Magazine by greglindahl on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @06:03PM (#13981163)
When and where has race not been a defining characteristic?
Re:I’m Not “Black Enough” for Inc. Magazine by nitwit005 on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @01:18AM (#13983629)
Probably most places, for most of human history, given the lack of travel.

Not that they didn't find other reasons to dislike their fellow humans.

Re:I’m Not “Black Enough” for Inc. Magazine by tomlock on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @01:29AM (#13983693)
A lot of genocides have been committed between races that, particularly from an outsider's view, are quite racially similar and nearby.

For example: Hutu/Tutsi, Serbians/Croatians

Re:I’m Not “Black Enough” for Inc. Magazine by rdtsc on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @12:00AM (#13983288)
> When and where has race not been a defining characteristic?

When the individual doesn't want to make it their defining characteristic. Same thing with other "characteristics". Not all gay people make it their defining characteristic, maybe they are parents, athletes, engineers etc who happen to be gay. Same with immigrants (I am one) and so on.

Assuming otherwise and forcing "defining characteristics" onto others is the problem here and what the article at hand is about.

Re:I’m Not “Black Enough” for Inc. Magazine by jakelazaroff on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @12:09AM (#13983326)
> When the individual doesn't want to make it their defining characteristic.

How do you not make the color of your skin a "defining characteristic"? People see you and make a judgement based on that. Are you denying that racial discrimination exists?

Re:I’m Not “Black Enough” for Inc. Magazine by rdtsc on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @12:50AM (#13983501)
> People see you and make a judgement based on that.

What kind of judgment. I think you mean it in a discriminatory sense with prejudices and stereotypes. Not just oh look someone has different shade of brown than me.

> Are you denying that racial discrimination exists?

Are you sure everyone automatically makes judgments based on that? What if the person is a woman also? What if they are gay? Which characteristic is the defining one?

Should we assume and write a story about that or let them tell us what defines them? Maybe they want to be a parent first who happens to be black and not a black parent. Or they don't know any better and need a journalist to come and interpret that for them.

Re:I’m Not “Black Enough” for Inc. Magazine by jakelazaroff on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @10:03AM (#13986284)
> I think you mean it in a discriminatory sense with prejudices and stereotypes.

I do. That's what this whole discussion is about.

> Are you sure everyone automatically makes judgments based on that? What if the person is a woman also? What if they are gay? Which characteristic is the defining one?

We don't have to hypothesize here: there's a theory called intersectionality that specifically examines how these things interact. There doesn't have to be just one "defining characteristic".

Re:I’m Not “Black Enough” for Inc. Magazine by mehaveaccount on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @11:33AM (#13987244)
>How do you not make the color of your skin a "defining characteristic"? People see you and make a judgement based on that.

I don't.

Re:I’m Not “Black Enough” for Inc. Magazine by neveroffensive on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @06:12PM (#13981239)
Nowhere, but wouldn't it be nice if it wasn't?

EDIT: I guess I meant we kept it a defining characteristic, just changed the definition

Re:I’m Not “Black Enough” for Inc. Magazine by jbmorgado on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @07:59PM (#13982044)
In many places. Ancient Rome for instance.