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Re:Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber by geofft on Monday March 27, 2017 @11:38AM (#13968594)
I think that the power of hordes of folks to try to make their views the predominant one is nothing other than a cynical phrasing of democracy, right? What is political freedom, if not the ability to work with like-minded others to advocate for or against a viewpoint? Should we censor people who wish to engage in this right?

And I am confused how anyone here was silenced. This person's views, and the views of everyone who objects, and the views of everyone who objects to the objection, are all public. The video is easily available. Discussion forums that have nothing to do with his usual material, like this one, are discussing it. There's rich public debate about what he said and why he said it, fueled by an independent press that is not constrained to write only what serves those in power (any sort of power), and fueled even more by social media.

This seems like the epitome of freedom of expression. If I saw someone say "Hitler was right" and nobody commented on it, I would wonder where freedom of expression went!

Remember that the position that Hitler was indeed right is not one that lacks for support. The third Google result for me for 'pewdiepie hitler' is from The Daily Stormer, an actual, non-joking Neo-Nazi website, and the comments are celebrating how PewDiePie's viewers are being "red pilled" into understanding that Hitler's position is defensible.

Re:Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber by white-flame on Monday March 27, 2017 @11:45AM (#13968660)
There's a difference in airing grievances, political opinion, public discourse, etc, and the lynching of people outside your view with a specific intent of silencing and destroying their very lives. This vindictiveness is explicit and widespread.

The very notion of "I disagree with you (and will bring it to light) but will defend your right to say it" seems to be dead in modern outrage culture.

Re:Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber by x0x0 on Monday March 27, 2017 @03:07PM (#13970702)
No, your problem specifically is you support PDP's right to air anti-semitic jokes following repeated use of nazi iconography, and further, don't believe I or others have a right to react in any way beyond your preferred way.

PDP: HA HA HA dead jews

His advertisers and many audience members: Not cool

white-flame: But my free speech!

PDP remains free to make any jokes he desires; he's just not free to continue to get his preferred advertising revenue or outlets.

Re:Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber by uncletaco on Monday March 27, 2017 @02:11PM (#13970210)
I agree with geofft, "lynching" is a really strong word for this. I'm also of the opinion that freedom of speech also means freedom of association, and the bigger story here is Disney deciding they did not want to associate with PewDiePie after the WSJ asked them about his comments.

Celebrities, unfortunately, are going to get hit when they say or do things that could piss off a bunch of people. I mean look at Muhammad Ali. He refused the Vietnam War draft as a religious conscientious objector. They stripped his title, his endorsements, and banned him from boxing. Not only that, but the appeals court did not even consider the merits of his case when they upheld the conviction. Or how Charlie Chaplan's passport was revoked after a FBI smear campaign and accusations of communism.

I understand people tend to look at current events in a vacuum, but saying something provocative and only losing endorsements is historically pretty good. Not even 50 years ago he would have had his passport revoked, been falsely accused of a crime, or some shady bureaucracy would have opened a file on him.

Re:Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber by geofft on Monday March 27, 2017 @11:55AM (#13968757)
"Lynching" seems to be exaggeration here, since nobody appears to be actually dying. I mention this not because I'm upset about that word, but because I disagree with the basic claim that anyone's lives or livelihoods are being destroyed. PewDiePie's account is unsuspended and he's actively posting to YouTube. He doesn't have a Disney sponsorship any more, but I don't believe he particularly has a right to a Disney sponsorship. He's welcome to make a living however he wants, just like anyone else. And just like anyone else, his past work will impact his future prospects; if I play a bad joke on my coworkers, my future employment prospects as a sysadmin will likely be limited, too. That is part and parcel of making sure that good work improves your future prospects, which seems like a desirable goal for a society.

I support PewDiePie's right to say whatever he wants. I posted a link to his own video in another comment. I am thrilled to bring it to light. I don't believe that defending his right to say it involves defending his right to receive corporate funding or popular appreciation for what he says; "I disagree but will defend your right" seems to imply quite the opposite to me.

I agree that if you find yourself destitute (or actually lynched) as a result of public outcry, your right to speech is impacted, but I don't believe there's ever been such a case. Can you point me to one?

Re:Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber by nailer on Monday March 27, 2017 @11:42AM (#13968632)
> And I am confused how anyone here was silenced. This person's views, and the views of everyone who objects, and the views of everyone who objects to the objection, are all public. The video is easily available.

According to Pewdiepie, the WSJ pushed Google to suspend his Youtube account.

Re:Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber by geofft on Monday March 27, 2017 @11:47AM (#13968680)
Sure, and it's been reposted on YouTube. My point is that the exact same powers that are allowing online hordes of folks to say "I don't like this" are also making it difficult to actually censor the viewpoint that isn't being liked. This is only a bad development if you're interested in censoring either of those. The best cure for bad speech is more speech!

https://youtu.be/urE7_mYfPmk?t=694