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Re:Germany’s Federal Network Agency wants to regulate XMPP c... by erlehmann_ on Sunday March 26, 2017 @09:20AM (#13960640)
For context, Bundesnetzagentur (literally “federal network agency”) is a German agency that regulates five kinds of networks – electricity, gas, telecommunications, post, railways. The telecommunications part of their work is supervised by the Bundesministerium für Verkehr und digitale Infrastruktur (literally “federal ministry for transport and digital infrastructure” i.e. highways and data highways).

One of its tasks is to ensure non-discriminatory access to infrastructure markets for all market participants: Former state monopolies have to share their infrastructure at a reasonable price to competitors, for example. Another task is consumer protection: In february 2017 they decided that an internet-enabled child's doll containing a microphone accessible remotely without any indication to the people using that doll should be “verboten” since they classified it as a hidden wiretapping device.

The federal network agency claims that XMPP clients have to be registered according to a German law that says that one has to be registered with (but does not need permission from) the agency if providing public communication services commercially.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Network_Agency

Edit: As other hackernews have pointed out, only the telecommunications stuff is supervised by the BMVI.

Re:Germany’s Federal Network Agency wants to regulate XMPP c... by userbinator on Sunday March 26, 2017 @10:36AM (#13960980)
The federal network agency claims that XMPP clients have to be registered according to a German law that says that one has to be registered with (but does not need permission from) the agency if providing public communication services commercially.

It's a rather slippery slope from XMPP towards software which uses any of the other networking protocols, even TCP/IP and Ethernet, since they could all be considered telecommunications.

Re:Germany’s Federal Network Agency wants to regulate XMPP c... by tgragnato on Sunday March 26, 2017 @03:16PM (#13962547)
Germany has always been a very procedure-oriented country. This instills a "conscientious thoroughness" in their psyche. Which mostly pays off (for them).

There are options :

- they got this wrong because they don't understand how the net works

- they effectively want to control the communication by setting rules and discouraging decentralisation [https://www.rt.com/news/373706-russia-influence-europe-germa...]

- ???

Re:Germany’s Federal Network Agency wants to regulate XMPP c... by macspoofing on Sunday March 26, 2017 @09:37AM (#13960715)
They identified a real problem but their solution is stupid. It's like China requiring any http server listening on Port 80 to be registered.
Re:Germany’s Federal Network Agency wants to regulate XMPP c... by orless on Sunday March 26, 2017 @10:02AM (#13960821)
What is the real problem?
Re:Germany’s Federal Network Agency wants to regulate XMPP c... by ominous on Sunday March 26, 2017 @12:37PM (#13961596)
People talking, apparently.
Re:Germany’s Federal Network Agency wants to regulate XMPP c... by stephengillie on Sunday March 26, 2017 @10:21AM (#13960894)
The Internet of Insecure Things.
Re:Germany’s Federal Network Agency wants to regulate XMPP c... by catdog on Sunday March 26, 2017 @09:30AM (#13960684)
> It belongs to the Bundesministerium für Verkehr und digitale Infrastruktur (literally “federal ministry for transport and digital infrastructure” i.e. highways and data highways).

That's blatantly wrong. It's the Federal Ministry of Economics and Technology (Bundesministerium für Wirtschaft und Energie). You even mentioned the Wikipedia article which states it right.

Re:Germany’s Federal Network Agency wants to regulate XMPP c... by germanier on Sunday March 26, 2017 @09:35AM (#13960704)
The departments of the agency working on telecommunication law are exclusively supervised by the Bundesministerium für Verkehr und digitale Infrastruktur. Only the other areas plus all administrative supervision is done by the Bundesministeriums für Wirtschaft und Energie.

("Belongs to" is probably too strong either way. They are not part of a ministry.)

Re:Germany’s Federal Network Agency wants to regulate XMPP c... by catdog on Sunday March 26, 2017 @09:40AM (#13960725)
Ah you are right they introduced that change late 2013.

//edit: But how it is stated in the parent post is still wrong ;)

Re:Germany’s Federal Network Agency wants to regulate XMPP c... by erlehmann_ on Sunday March 26, 2017 @09:46AM (#13960753)
I edited my post to clarify that.
Re:Germany’s Federal Network Agency wants to regulate XMPP c... by brudgers on Sunday March 26, 2017 @09:33AM (#13960699)
A good point, but could be made differently.