(Talking about web and native APIs)

> And I think that we've really invested a lot in the open standards behind all that

> I've been personally quite sad at the industry's behavior around all these things

> If you just take something as simple as instant messaging

> We've kind of had an offer forever that we'll interoperate on instant messagoing

> I think just this week Microsoft took advantage of that by interoperating with us but not doing the reverse

> Which is really sad, right?

> And that's not the way to make progress