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Re:US Senate votes to undo FCC internet privacy rules by rakoo on Thursday March 23, 2017 @02:54PM (#13942929)
How do you make sure a VPN doesn't log anything, other than promises ?
Re:US Senate votes to undo FCC internet privacy rules by __jal on Thursday March 23, 2017 @02:59PM (#13943004)
Run it yourself, or have it managed by someone you trust.

As a massively inferior but better-than-nothing fallback, contractual agreements.

Otherwise, you can't.

Re:US Senate votes to undo FCC internet privacy rules by cortesoft on Thursday March 23, 2017 @03:35PM (#13943386)
If you are running your own private VPN, how is that any different than your normal connection? All you are doing is basically switching ISPs. All of the traffic can still be tracked back to you, the owner of the VPN server.
Re:US Senate votes to undo FCC internet privacy rules by corford on Thursday March 23, 2017 @05:32PM (#13944546)
Depends where you install the VPN... https://prq.se/?p=services would be a good choice
Re:US Senate votes to undo FCC internet privacy rules by yjftsjthsd-h on Thursday March 23, 2017 @11:18PM (#13946335)
I trust (ex.) AWS or Digital Ocean more than AT&T or Comcast.
Re:US Senate votes to undo FCC internet privacy rules by hatsunearu on Thursday March 23, 2017 @03:18PM (#13943196)
If you run it yourself, what the heck is the point? The ISP of the VPN will log you.
Re:US Senate votes to undo FCC internet privacy rules by xoa on Thursday March 23, 2017 @03:55PM (#13943607)
To both you and cortesoft: ISPs (and the countries they reside in) don't all share everything. They don't all have the same, or even compatible, rules, legal regimes, or economic interests. In particular, the economic drivers of last-mile ISPs vs backbone providers to major data centers are vastly different.

Therefore routing across multiple independent networks (which is what a VPN is) actually does provide some additional privacy protection because it means that coordination between multiple entities is now required to see the same information that would have been available to one before, and it changes which entity with which economic interests can see the most.

Essentially, it's a competition hack. There is massive competition (and customer responsiveness) when you get close to the core, but very little for most people at the last mile. So a VPN allows you to shift you effective entry point to an arbitrary provider, and that can be quite helpful.

Re:US Senate votes to undo FCC internet privacy rules by shostack on Thursday March 23, 2017 @05:37PM (#13944597)
I also wonder what impact having a US-based VPN provider vs. an EU one makes with regards to jurisdiction, privacy laws, etc.
Re:US Senate votes to undo FCC internet privacy rules by mahyarm on Thursday March 23, 2017 @03:17PM (#13943175)
How can you make sure level3, AWS, DO or anyone else doesn't log everything too ;)
Re:US Senate votes to undo FCC internet privacy rules by LastZactionHero on Thursday March 23, 2017 @05:07PM (#13944291)
I would expect that they do. I'm not really offended that my traffic is logged by someone and could be traced back to me by someone with the time and resources (law enforcement?).

But assuming that AWS/DO, and their uplink providers (L3, etc) have the goal of selling reliable servers and internet, and aren't building up consumer ad profiles to sell me stuff/sell my data if it looks like one server or IP is maybe a VPN.

Re:US Senate votes to undo FCC internet privacy rules by rakoo on Friday March 24, 2017 @04:58AM (#13947577)
You can't as well; you're just moving trust some place else. Choose your own poison :)
Re:US Senate votes to undo FCC internet privacy rules by dokument on Thursday March 23, 2017 @02:59PM (#13943001)
You can't. Trust is trust.