Re:Ancient Romans depicted Huns as barbarians – their bones ...
by jacquesm on Thursday March 23, 2017 @09:35AM
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> How is Europe's open door policy working?
Pretty good, all things considered.
> I'd prefer they integrate, speak the language, and stop blowing shit up.
Guess what: For 99.999% of them this already holds true.
> Apparently that's too much to ask.
No it isn't, and the refugees actually agree with you.
> I'd also prefer they stop preaching support for fucking Sharia law, but that's too much to ask.
Oh, the old Sharia law saw. Again, in no Western country is there a realistic chance of Sharia law being applied to you or me. But if two parties consent to having a non-official arbitration done then they are welcome to do so. Similar things happen in the Vatican and in the Jewish community and nobody ever thought that that was a problem.
Do you see me as supporting Sharia law? As for being against integration, teaching immigrants the local language or being pro 'blowing shit up':
I'm against Sharia law as much as I'm against religion: but I recognize the law of the land here that says that people are allowed to do this since they are consenting adults, even if the net effects of both are quite possibly negatives. Just like I can't stop you from eating bad food or from smoking. Those are freedoms we give to everybody in order to not limit ourselves. Reduce those freedoms for others and we too will end up with reduced freedoms.
I'm hardline against genital mutilation, whether done by Islam adherents or Jews is not relevant to me. That is the sort of invasion of bodily integrity that I really strongly disagree with and that no person should have the right to do to another, even when we're talking about parents and children.
I'm 'pro' integration, but I also recognize that not everybody integrates equally well. And some simply don't care. Most notably: American, British and Japanese friends who after having been here decades still don't speak the language because they simply do not need to. Contrast with most Turkish and Moroccan immigrants who speak the language just fine.
Other than that their 'integration' is their affair, not mine and the embarrassing integration courses that the government forces on refugees here are more hinder than help (and cost a fortune). Who gives a damn where our (immigrant) queen comes from?
As for blowing shit up: the people that have the most to lose from assholes blowing shit up (or, you know, white guys running people through with swords) are the refugees and the immigrants. Because they (and their children) are going to be the ones to pay the price, not the idiots that blow themselves up.
Pretty good, all things considered.
> I'd prefer they integrate, speak the language, and stop blowing shit up.
Guess what: For 99.999% of them this already holds true.
> Apparently that's too much to ask.
No it isn't, and the refugees actually agree with you.
> I'd also prefer they stop preaching support for fucking Sharia law, but that's too much to ask.
Oh, the old Sharia law saw. Again, in no Western country is there a realistic chance of Sharia law being applied to you or me. But if two parties consent to having a non-official arbitration done then they are welcome to do so. Similar things happen in the Vatican and in the Jewish community and nobody ever thought that that was a problem.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Vatican_City
(Note that the Vatican holds a very special position in spite of being inside the borders of Italy).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beth_din
> You've got some real cognitive dissonance.
Do you see me as supporting Sharia law? As for being against integration, teaching immigrants the local language or being pro 'blowing shit up':
I'm against Sharia law as much as I'm against religion: but I recognize the law of the land here that says that people are allowed to do this since they are consenting adults, even if the net effects of both are quite possibly negatives. Just like I can't stop you from eating bad food or from smoking. Those are freedoms we give to everybody in order to not limit ourselves. Reduce those freedoms for others and we too will end up with reduced freedoms.
I'm hardline against genital mutilation, whether done by Islam adherents or Jews is not relevant to me. That is the sort of invasion of bodily integrity that I really strongly disagree with and that no person should have the right to do to another, even when we're talking about parents and children.
I'm 'pro' integration, but I also recognize that not everybody integrates equally well. And some simply don't care. Most notably: American, British and Japanese friends who after having been here decades still don't speak the language because they simply do not need to. Contrast with most Turkish and Moroccan immigrants who speak the language just fine.
Other than that their 'integration' is their affair, not mine and the embarrassing integration courses that the government forces on refugees here are more hinder than help (and cost a fortune). Who gives a damn where our (immigrant) queen comes from?
As for blowing shit up: the people that have the most to lose from assholes blowing shit up (or, you know, white guys running people through with swords) are the refugees and the immigrants. Because they (and their children) are going to be the ones to pay the price, not the idiots that blow themselves up.