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Re:The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess by jdietrich on Thursday March 23, 2017 @06:37AM (#13938636)
Visiting a foreign country is regarded as an essential rite of passage in many parts of the world. Being surrounded by people who speak a different language, use a different currency and have a different culture provides a very valuable life experience. Your understanding of "normal" can shift very quickly when you get to experience being a foreigner.

I can't help but think that passport ownership is one of the fundamental cultural divides in the US. It's difficult to understand the value of travelling abroad if you've never experienced it and don't know many people who have.

Geography is no excuse - Australians are prolific international travellers, despite the size of their continent and their oceanic isolation. Spending a year abroad is the norm for young Aussies, but it's still regarded as a rare privilege for young Americans.

Re:The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess by koolba on Thursday March 23, 2017 @08:04AM (#13939015)
> Visiting a foreign country is regarded as an essential rite of passage in many parts of the world. Being surrounded by people who speak a different language, use a different currency and have a different culture provides a very valuable life experience. Your understanding of "normal" can shift very quickly when you get to experience being a foreigner.

True but America is a wide enough place that you can have most of that without leaving the continental USA.

Growing up in Podunk, USA makes people from Big City, USA feel like foreigners (and vice versa). I'm not saying don't go outside the USA (quite the contrary!) but there's quite a bit you can do and see here without a passport.

> I can't help but think that passport ownership is one of the fundamental cultural divides in the US. It's difficult to understand the value of travelling abroad if you've never experienced it and don't know many people who have.

Very true and I don't know anyone that's traveled extensively that doesn't comment on it being a positive experience in hindsight (aside from business travelers complaining about going back to the same places they don't particular like month after month).

Re:The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess by jdietrich on Thursday March 23, 2017 @09:41AM (#13939597)
>True but America is a wide enough place that you can have most of that without leaving the continental USA.

You absolutely, 100% can't. America has no end of wonderful places to visit, but there are so many parts of the experience of foreign travel that aren't remotely replicated in domestic travel.

Being on the wrong side of a language barrier is profoundly dislocating. A domestic visitor to Big City USA won't find themselves asking for directions in pantomime, they won't have to point at something on a menu and hope for the best, they won't walk into a supermarket and realise that they can't tell shampoo from conditioner. There's a deep sense of vulnerability when you can't communicate effectively, a sense of marginalisation and remoteness.

American tourists have a reputation for assuming that everyone accepts greenbacks. It's a profound experience to realise that the money in your wallet is absolutely worthless to the people around you, that the pieces of paper you sweated to earn might as well be monopoly money to anyone outside of a Bureau de Change. The simple experience of having a pocketful of unfamiliar coins has a lasting effect on your understanding of the nature of money.

Re:The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess by hellofunk on Thursday March 23, 2017 @10:21AM (#13939956)
> True but America is a wide enough place that you can have most of that without leaving the continental USA.

Except that most don't make those trips around their own country.

Re:The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess by magic_beans on Thursday March 23, 2017 @04:12PM (#13943786)
Don't be so high minded. I know PLENTY of Dutch, Germans and French people who have never left their country.

Many, many Americans travel extensively or are children of immigrant parents who travel to their home country often.

Re:The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess by xienze on Thursday March 23, 2017 @09:55AM (#13939710)
> Being surrounded by people who speak a different language, use a different currency and have a different culture provides a very valuable life experience.

Other than the currency part, we've got that in the US...

Re:The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess by rorykoehler on Thursday March 23, 2017 @10:16AM (#13939908)
It's really not the same thing. America always feels like America. Travelling in the US is no substitute to travelling abroad.
Re:The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess by rsync on Thursday March 23, 2017 @11:24AM (#13940532)
"It's really not the same thing. America always feels like America. Travelling in the US is no substitute to travelling abroad."

Except for New Orleans.

Re:The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess by xienze on Thursday March 23, 2017 @10:22AM (#13939963)
Believe me, there are plenty of places in the US you could go where you'll say "holy shit, this is AMERICA???"
Re:The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess by hellofunk on Thursday March 23, 2017 @10:42AM (#13940121)
It's still not the same thing as going to another country where everything is different, the shows on TV, the language, the politics, the food. You will find variety within the bounds of any nation on earth, but it's not as great as the variety between nations.
Re:The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess by sangnoir on Thursday March 23, 2017 @10:45AM (#13940151)
That may be true, but is still not a substitute. Travelling abroad has the added benefit of one saying "holy shit, this is just like AMERICA!!!" in the least expected of places.