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Re:The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess by pavlov on Thursday March 23, 2017 @04:34AM (#13938162)
I'm not convinced that Protestant traditions are to blame.

The Nordic countries have had an extreme Protestant majority ever since the Reformation. In 1950s Finland, 95% of the population was a member of the national Lutheran church! That's practically everyone.

At the same time, these 95% Protestant societies were heavily unionized, built up strong social safety nets, and offered long vacations, public health care and other worker-friendly policies.

So it seems too simple to blame the dysfunctionalities of the American work environment on reformed Christian ethics -- at least, the Nordic example shows that a different, more employee-friendly interpretation of the same ethic is possible.

Re:The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess by coldtea on Thursday March 23, 2017 @05:38AM (#13938391)
>The Nordic countries have had an extreme Protestant majority ever since the Reformation. In 1950s Finland, 95% of the population was a member of the national Lutheran church! That's practically everyone.

It's not the same protestant ethic. In nordic countries most are counted as members of a church nominally still today, but they hardly believe in anything. Only 20% or polled Danish even say they believe in Christ for example, another 20% states they are atheist, and the majority is totally indifferent.

The US got all the religious hardcodes, calvinists, the Puritans, Quakers et al, and let the define the national ideology beyond the church, and piled an Old Testament mentality on top of it.

Even today when the nordic countries have mostly atheists or totally indifferent nominally religious people, the US has a large population deep on Old Testament.

>At the same time, these 95% Protestant societies were heavily unionized, built up strong social safety nets, and offered long vacations, public health care and other worker-friendly policies.

In the forties and fifties, that is post war world II, the US was "heavily unionized" too. It was the golden era of the unions. But that (influenced by the tradition of leftists and labour rights activists in the US and the post war boom in the economy) didn't last long (e.g. after McCarthy), whereas in nordic countries, if not the unions themselves, those "safety nets" and worker-friendly policies remain respected.

Re:The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess by bildung on Thursday March 23, 2017 @04:41AM (#13938181)
AFAIK protestant work ethics are rooted in Calvinism, which heavily influenced many sects in the U.S., but not or to a lesser degree the northern european countries.
Re:The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess by piva00 on Thursday March 23, 2017 @05:43AM (#13938409)
Calvinism influenced the Netherlands a lot, I'm not really so much versed in Calvinism in America but if you want to compare I'd suggest starting there.

Even more interesting because I consider Netherlands the closest you get in Continental Europe to a Scandinavian country (socially/economically speaking).

Re:The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess by ikurei on Thursday March 23, 2017 @05:51AM (#13938444)
Isn't it also true that in Scandinavia religion started losing ground earlier and faster than in the rest of the West? As far as I know, religion is barely relevant for most scandinavians (apart from the influence it has had on all western culture, of course), whereas it still greatly influences the worldview of most americans.

May be protestantism is the origin of this kind of work ethics, probably exacerbated by american history (colonising a new world, carving a new place for themselves in a barely-known land...).

Re:The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess by fjdlwlv on Thursday March 23, 2017 @10:41AM (#13940108)
Scandinavia was never conquered by the Christian (or Muslim) church to the same extent as mainland Europe.
Re:The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess by iaskwhy on Thursday March 23, 2017 @05:27AM (#13938347)
Can you guys expand on this? It's something I'm usually interested in but being raised in a Roman Catholic country doesn't make it obvious what differences might exist between Calvinism and Protestantism.
Re:The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess by ikurei on Thursday March 23, 2017 @05:49AM (#13938432)
Also catholic-raised, but from my understanding Calvino very strongly defended discipline and hard work over faith. In contrast, catholicism places a greater emphasis on... well, not sinning.
Re:The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess by ZeroGravitas on Thursday March 23, 2017 @10:54AM (#13940230)