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Re:A simple command allows the CIA to commandeer vulnerable ... by tptacek on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @03:55PM (#13925615)
Cisco buying an In-Q-Tel-funded company is about the most banal observation you can make. In-Q-Tel is one of the more prominent investors in network and information security companies (IIRC, that's their founding charter!) and Cisco is the bizdev endgame strategy for most VC-funded security product companies.

I doubt ThreatGrid is the only IQT company Cisco has bought. I am as certain they're not a CIA plant inside Cisco as I am of anything else in my perceived reality; I know several of their key people, one of whom has a framed Che poster. They're not the type. :)

You're going to drive yourself seriously crazy if you try to trace every IQT investment that's been acquired by any company and then game them out as "compromised by the CIA".

Re:A simple command allows the CIA to commandeer vulnerable ... by rl3 on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @04:36PM (#13925993)
>I am as certain they're not a CIA plant inside Cisco as I am of anything else in my perceived reality ...

Of course they aren't. All I'm saying is if you have a company that has a routine acquisition deal flow from the CIA's venture capital arm, that there's probably healthy working relationships there.

Re:A simple command allows the CIA to commandeer vulnerable ... by tptacek on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @06:48PM (#13927007)
By that logic, In-Q-Tel is a stroke of genius, because they've also built "healthy working relationships" with Network Appliance, IBM, Amazon, EMC, Microsoft, Intel, Oracle, Google, and Nokia.

I think you just can't read anything into In-Q-Tel involvement with a company.

Re:A simple command allows the CIA to commandeer vulnerable ... by rl3 on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @11:58AM (#13931958)
>By that logic, In-Q-Tel is a stroke of genius, because they've also built "healthy working relationships" with Network Appliance, IBM, Amazon, EMC, Microsoft, Intel, Oracle, Google, and Nokia.

Perhaps the plan with In-Q-Tel was partly to achieve pervasive private sector influence, and it was somewhat successful.

While I appreciate the conceited scare quotes there, I'm not saying that working relationships directly translate to backdoors, just that it translates to influence, and that can indirectly lead to bad things over time.

>I think you just can't read anything into In-Q-Tel involvement with a company.

As a thought experiment, say Open Whisper Systems took money from In-Q-Tel, or even acqui-hired a team from one of their portfolio companies. Right or wrong, people would very much read into it, and probably lose their minds in short order. Signal's user base would plummet overnight.

Re:A simple command allows the CIA to commandeer vulnerable ... by tptacek on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @02:17PM (#13933328)
Because people would write comments like the one you did upthread, deceptively implying they had an understanding of what In-Q-Tel was that they could reason from as if a first principle. That's the problem. You don't need In-Q-Tel to cause the kind of damage you're talking about; you have many other vectors for this kind of deception.

I'm not sticking up for In-Q-Tel. I wouldn't take money from IQT. But it is, for the most part, just what it says it is: an investment firm that funds things that the CIA believes will be helpful to its mission, which includes virtually all network security, database, networking, and RF technology.

Re:A simple command allows the CIA to commandeer vulnerable ... by rl3 on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @08:11PM (#13936364)
>Because people would write comments like the one you did upthread, deceptively implying ...

Wasn't my intention for that comment to be deceptive in its implication. After seeing how some of the replies were going, I did try to amend it in a more balanced fashion—then ended up having to move that further down the thread due to the edit window expiring.

Funny enough the original comment's karma continued to skyrocket while the more measured words teetered on the brink of downvote for some time. It was surprising, since usually HN is pretty good at punishing anything that even has the slightest perception of hyperbole.

That said, I think we can agree that the 2-hour edit window represents a grave threat to civil discourse, freedom of expression, also freedom itself, probably national security, and nothing less than the future of Hacker News. It must be extended. :)

Re:A simple command allows the CIA to commandeer vulnerable ... by duncan_bayne on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @04:38PM (#13926007)
> I know several of their key people, one of whom has a framed Che poster. They're not the type. :)

Perhaps a bit OT, but you're dead wrong about Che. He was a mass murderer, and I'd treat someone with a framed picture of him with the same suspicion I'd reserve for someone with a Stalin or Hitler portrait.

http://www.therealcuba.com/?page_id=32

Re:A simple command allows the CIA to commandeer vulnerable ... by linkregister on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @05:05PM (#13926214)
The point he was making is that Che isn't a widely admired figure in U.S. intelligence circles.
Re:A simple command allows the CIA to commandeer vulnerable ... by duncan_bayne on Thursday March 23, 2017 @08:15PM (#13945534)
Which is funny, because they had a lot in common at one point (and possibly still now).

http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB4/ciaguat2.html

Re:A simple command allows the CIA to commandeer vulnerable ... by tptacek on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @06:43PM (#13926973)
Yes. I'm left-of-center (through probably right-of-HN as I perceive it) and also find Che to be an odious figure.