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Re:The last patent on AC-3 (Dolby Digital) expires at midnight by coldtea on Monday March 20, 2017 @05:04AM (#13912692)
>Idea's are a plenty. It's the correct productization that adds value.

That's for common ideas. "Let's make a Facebook for dogs", "dollar shave club", etc. But those are not patentable in the first place (and if they are in some country, they shouldn't be).

Here we are talking for invention ideas. Which are not plenty, and which often require not just insight that billions couldn't manage to have (the invention of the carriage wheel -- which the pro-Columbian population of the Americas managed to miss, even though they had wheel shaped items for other uses), but also millions in R&D (e.g. to design. build, make efficient to mass produce and test a new kind of plane engine or a more efficient battery).

In a lot of those cases where the invention scratches an itch there's very little "correct productization" needed. If you make a better battery material for example, you just sell it like everybody else sells batteries (plus some marketing for its longer life). Some things literally sell themselves.

Re:The last patent on AC-3 (Dolby Digital) expires at midnight by ska on Monday March 20, 2017 @10:40AM (#13914574)
I'm not unsympathetic to this view point, but you are talking about a tiny, tiny fraction of the patents in the system. I'd WAG it at on one-thousandth of a percent, tops (while acknowledging the difficulty of measuring this).

So if the vast majority of the work being done is fundamentally different, does it make sense to set policy based on the outliers? The work of the patent office is almost entirely focused on "common ideas".

NB: I don't know the answer to this, just pointing out the difficulty.

Re:The last patent on AC-3 (Dolby Digital) expires at midnight by nxtrafalgar on Monday March 20, 2017 @05:37AM (#13912806)
So if the premise is that ideas are not patentable and inventions are, then what makes an audio codec constitute an 'invention'?
Re:The last patent on AC-3 (Dolby Digital) expires at midnight by spacemanmatt on Monday March 20, 2017 @09:48AM (#13914148)
Codecs, as expressions of abstract ideas (mathematics, primarily), SHOULD be ineligible for patent. Nothing physical about anything necessarily involved in the implementation of a codec is novel these days, except the algorithms, and they're patently (badump-bump) ineligible.

But judges and PTO examiners have been getting it wrong so long they don't even know what's right anymore. But the letter of the law is quite clear and the SCOTUS is starting to come down harder on the side of the law, especially since rulings like Bilski.

Re:The last patent on AC-3 (Dolby Digital) expires at midnight by Karunamon on Monday March 20, 2017 @11:38AM (#13915061)
I'm torn on this. Let's say you cook up a codec that allows for unheard-of levels of fidelity at unheard-of small file sizes. (Think PiedPiper levels of awesome).

Generally, I'm against software patents due to their easily abused nature (to the point where I think sacrificing all software patents would be a net benefit), but I find it very hard to argue that the person who came up with that codec shouldn't be able to patent their invention. Yes, it's math at the end of the day, but it's still novel math. Putting existing things together in actually novel ways should be patentable.

Re:The last patent on AC-3 (Dolby Digital) expires at midnight by spacemanmatt on Monday March 20, 2017 @12:19PM (#13915382)
I'm against software patents for the same reason I'm against patents on things that are mathematics. Note, I've said "are" and not "like." Calling a mathematical formula, concept, or algorithm something else (e.g. "codec" or "my life's work" or "Fraunhoffer's intellectual property" does not make it more than math, and most certainly cannot serve to reify the abstract subject matter. Nowhere in the rules of eligibility is novelty contemplated as an exception to exclusions of abstract concepts and phenomena of nature.

Novel math is still abstract, and as such, strictly ineligible. Software is the same, in that it is purely abstract. It will take time for the courts to catch up to reality, but they have trended in that direction.

Whether I agree or not that, as you say, "...novel ways should be patentable." they are, by the letter of the enacting law, ineligible.

Re:The last patent on AC-3 (Dolby Digital) expires at midnight by Karunamon on Monday March 20, 2017 @12:26PM (#13915444)
You're talking about the law, I'm talking about the principle that underpins the law and what the law should be as a result. These are two separate topics.
Re:The last patent on AC-3 (Dolby Digital) expires at midnight by spacemanmatt on Monday March 20, 2017 @01:04PM (#13915770)
I am also saying I agree strongly with the law's straight-forward stipulation that abstract material is ineligible. There's no justification for letting someone patent things just because they went to a lot of trouble to find or create something obscure, if it is entirely imaginary (abstract) or part of nature.
Re:The last patent on AC-3 (Dolby Digital) expires at midnight by spacemanmatt on Monday March 20, 2017 @01:08PM (#13915807)
How would you allow for novelty without opening the door to patenting a novel new application of integer math or gravity?
Re:The last patent on AC-3 (Dolby Digital) expires at midnight by coldtea on Monday March 20, 2017 @07:24AM (#13913194)
>then what makes an audio codec constitute an 'invention'?

That it involves not just some singular "let's do an X" moment, but tons of math, hard work, novel techniques for better compression, faster decoding, etc?

Re:The last patent on AC-3 (Dolby Digital) expires at midnight by TheOtherHobbes on Monday March 20, 2017 @07:11AM (#13913142)
A detailed, original, reproducible, non-trivial specification of the algorithm used.

I think you'll find this takes a little more work than "Hey, wouldn't it be great to make audio files smaller?"